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I'll check it in a way. Okay. Thank you.

I was going to say you never missed a

meeting when you walked all night.

>> It wasn't fully with the kids. I got my

7 ft easy 8 ft almost. It was putting

the mats away that one of the mats.

>> No, I

said

there might be

If you don't get any bamboo, you better

get us cuz I got to burn them down.

>> I'm going to burn them down. If you

don't that damn

knock out with another

knuckle do

they kind of get offended if you like

try to do a knuckle like come on man

>> I don't want you

>> we have our sock over here tonight

>> and so yeah that comes knocked me out

last weekend because I keep thinking

right now I'm doing nothing but playing

catchup's

back

[clears throat] around. There's always

something likely to knock you out.

>> Call the meeting to order. U if everyone

could please stand for the pledge and a

moment of silent reflection. Please

to the flag of the United States of

America and to the republic for which it

stands. One nation under God,

indivisible, with liberty and justice

for all.

Thank you,

clerk. Could we have roll call, please?

>> Here.

>> Here.

>> Present.

>> Here.

>> Here.

>> Yep.

>> Here.

>> Present.

>> Did everyone get a chance to take a look

at the minutes from April 16th me

meeting? Any

questions, concerns, comments?

Hearing none. All in favor?

>> I

>> I

>> post same sign. [clears throat]

Uh there are no public hearings tonight.

There are no communications

announcements, audience concerns. We do

have a few tonight. [clears throat]

First up, we have Anita Lyens. If you

could please state your name and address

for the record, please.

[clears throat]

East First Street here in London, Ohio.

Thank you so much.

>> And Chris is taking

Anita Lyens, 157 East 1st Street,

London, Ohio. Thank you for allowing me

a few minutes to uh chat with you this

evening again. It's a pleasure to be

back. I've been gone for a while. What I

wanted to talk about a little bit

tonight is just to let you know that I

do sit on the board with Life Point.

Life Point is a local organization about

10 years here in the area. We moved from

Main Street. We're now over on

right near the subway. But some of our

property concerns that we have right now

are we rent that particular property and

we're outgrowing it. Thank goodness. We

use a lot of our facilities to donation

and we use a lot of the facilities in

the close to $90,000 a year budget that

we have now to support the education of

young families. be it grandparents, be

it be it mothers, be it fathers to take

care of the kids between zero and four.

This is totally donationbased. This we

give them uh resources as they earn the

ability to use those resources. And one

of the things that's really nice about

it is these are called baby bucks. to

buy diapers and foods and and uh play

pens and that sort of thing. Again, that

is all donated by the community. One of

the issues we have right now is we are

potentially going to be losing our

facility there. [clears throat] So, I've

been reaching out and I had talked to

Steve about oh about a month ago and I

know there's some things that are being

discussed with the mayor and I actually

have an appointment. Thank you, mayor,

for setting up an appointment next

Monday with me at 1:30.

What I'm asking here is as council

thinks about the use of the property at

10 East First Street, the old police

station, we would love to be considered

to lease that property and or buy that

property as time moves on. And I

realized uh Councilman Rich Hayes is the

uh chair on that particular committee

and I believe Mr. Hit Councilman hit

that you actually sit on that Kitty

committee as well. But as time comes up

there potential for uses on that

facility. We know that the

[clears throat] city has it, owns it.

There's probably some issues that we'll

need to talk about, but I'd sure just

like to volunteer LifePoint Family

Center as a potential tenant for that

and or owner for that particular

property. So, as time moves on, please

consider us for those decisions that

might be made by the city on using that

facility. Thank you so much for your

time.

>> Thank you and welcome back.

>> Thank you.

>> I got a real quick question. Uh, Neil,

did you say $90,000 is your budget?

>> We actually, yes, we actually get

[clears throat] both cash and gifts in

kind. We are supported by multiple

agencies, churches, uh, the country

thrift up in Plain City. So, we actually

have the capacity. We have been paying

rent at our other facilities that we've

used. And because of our education

program, we need certain little rooms to

have avail the capacity to counsel. And

we're not talking any counseling is just

more like budget, anger management,

taking these classes. We offer services

both to English and his and Spanish

speakaking clients where it's a safe

place to come in, talk about what's

going on in their lives, learn how to

run their budgets, learn how to deal

with family issues, learn how to take

care of those little ones. It's it's a

good program. I invite anybody like to

come in on the program and tour our

existing facility. Uh we'd love to show

it off. It's it's a Beautiful, clean,

lovely facility just getting very small.

Thank you.

>> What is uh your current rent over there

or mortgage? I guess

>> I prefer to talk to that on offline if

that would be possible.

>> More than happy to.

>> But I would be glad to volunteer that in

>> because that would help give us a good

idea on hey what might be a possible

source for us. Thank you.

>> Thank you again.

>> Thank you.

>> Up next we have Donna Martin. If you

could uh please state your name and

address for the record, please.

My name is Donna Martin. I live at 231

South Main Street, London, Ohio.

Um, my question is,

so when are we going to see a difference

in our uh

trash pickup and all those services?

And if you have a new company, which I

know you're going to have to have

because you're not keeping what we have.

Um, what if I say I don't want it? I

don't want nothing to do with that.

Am I going to get penalized?

Is there going to be a a a forceful

thing put on me that I have to

take the services that you're giving me

when I don't have a choice in it?

>> [clears throat]

>> Yes. Safety service director.

Up next we have Matt Daly. If you could

state your name and address for the

record, please.

Good evening,

Matt Dailyy, 99 Andrew Court West. Um,

right next to the Madison Reserve

development,

so that's why I'm here today. Uh, I wish

Mr. Gross was here. I would have talked

to him personally about this, but he's

not. Um, maybe that means season two of

the Murder Mysteries is coming out.

That'd be great. I'm very excited to

hear about those. But

what this is actually about is

for example,

Monday, this Monday at 5:45 in the

morning, his contractors were out there

uh moving construction equipment around,

getting it staged.

5:45 in the morning, I'm getting woke up

by the beep of construction equipment.

That's ridiculous.

Ridiculous. I went out there and talked

to the guy and I'm going to clean this

up a little bit, but his response to me

was, "Don't care. I have crap to get

done.

I don't care. I have crap to get done."

5:45 in the morning in a neighborhood

infilled development.

That's ridiculous.

I did call the police department, but

like most things with

the administration office, there was no

follow up.

That property hasn't been mowed this

year.

The grass is taller than my dog, and

she's not a small dog. She's 70 pounds.

There's trash getting accumulated in the

field,

gravel and dirt in the street. No one's

cleaning up. They've probably moved,

I'm going to say at least 50 dump

trucks, maybe a 100,

probably 300 tons of gravel in that

place. They haven't cleaned up once.

It's going in the storm sewer system.

We're going to be responsible for

cleaning that out.

And dust, there is no dust mitigation

that is apparent to anyone.

We've had uh I've had a neighbor across

the street from me say she can't see the

train tracks because the dust is so

thick during these uh spring days.

That's not just a oh my car is getting

dirty. [clears throat]

That's uh look it up. Uh there's a thing

called hystopplastomosis.

That's a public health thing.

There's been outbreaks in Middle

Tennessee

from development construction dust.

It's a fungus that lives in the ground.

I mean,

this is ridiculous. I don't understand

why this city has not been paying

attention to the projects, the large

projects that have been going on. This

[clears throat] should have been

addressed. And it doesn't take a person

to come up to council to address these

things.

We need to pay attention to these large

projects. the Madison County fiber uh

line that was uh put in the east high.

They picked up a piece of the sidewalk.

It broke into probably six pieces or so.

They put [clears throat] it back and

they patched it with quick uh quick fix

asphalt.

[clears throat]

That's not restoring the property the

way it was. You can walk up East High

Street and see all the holes they left

that they did not actually fill in.

That's not restoring the property.

These large projects need eyes on them.

And it's not up to the people when it's

the whole street that's causing this

issue.

If it was one property, yeah, that the

property owner probably should take care

of it. But this is every property along

the street.

So

the uh first fiber project that was done

at the beginning of co they did do a

decent job repairing the sidewalks, but

now they're all falling in. They're

cracking. They're they didn't do a good

job prepping the sidewalks. So if you

walk up East High again, you'll see

brand new sidewalks that are an inch

below the existing sidewalks.

I don't know who did that first fiber

project, the one that they ran

underneath the sidewalks, but

[clears throat] that's who caused it.

And again, why are we relying on

property owners when it's the whole

street?

um mowing the the northeast corner of

Kenny and East High all the way out to

Spring Valley

hasn't been mowed this year.

It's again taller than my dog.

the old PTE development

across from Sharp Avenue.

It just got mowed maybe yesterday, but

other than that, I don't think it was

mowed since it actually transferred from

I believe it was the Hess family.

These things are obvious if we look

and these things should make you guys a

little bit concerned about these people

coming in, these developers, these land

speculators coming in

and not giving this community the

respect,

not giving you the respect,

not giving the mayor's office the

respect to do the right things by this

community.

It should make you a little bit angry.

And if it doesn't,

why did you take that seat? Why are you

up there?

>> So,

I mean, that's what I have to say. You

have any questions, feel free to ask.

I'll say thank you very much for coming

in because your comments have gone

directly with images that have been

shared at the public service committee

already about those exact sidewalks

because I know the one you're talking

about that there's an entire chunk of it

that has fallen about an inch inch and a

half. And so yes, I do think that these

are things that I'm hoping we now kind

of have more of a citizen outreach that

gives us an idea to really dig into it.

But even the one that you were talking

about that was fixed with dirt patch, we

kind of looked at it and said, "Who the

heck did this one?" And so, uh, I'm

hoping that yes, we can continue to dig

into those and start actually taking a

little bit more responsibility instead

of saying, "Hey, it's property owners

once again because yeah, if there are

large projects that we know of, I'm

hoping we can actually start to fix

them." I'm not sure if we have any new

grounds on items for fixing these

sidewalks yet, but

your concerns are have being recognized.

>> Mr. President, if I may,

>> wasn't trying to ignore you. I was

trying to look up. I know we have a time

that construction's not supposed to

start before. And I know when

construction first started just on the

other side of Jacob Lane, the mayor made

a complaint um to the people that were

doing that and let them know that that

time had to be enforced. Um and but

that's because it was right next to his

house, right? And he and he knew the the

law. Um so you're letting us know now

that it's happening. I'm not sure what

the what the uh

Did I miss something there?

>> No, I'm not surprised.

I I want to get the microphone so I can

>> Oh, okay. So, anyway, I mean, I know

that there's a time that it's supposed

to start. I know that it's always been,

at least while I've been on council,

there's always brought up numerous times

every year about mowing and that that's

a requirement that, you know, it has to

be mowed at a certain point. And and I

know some of the area you were talking

about last year got really high, then

they did mow it, you know, finally. So,

you know, these are things I'm glad

you're bringing to us because not

everybody's driving by there. not

everybody lives next door that and and

can see that. So, I just want to let you

know I did hear that what you're saying

and you know hopefully hopefully the uh

the uh the zoning officers or whoever's

in charge of that will get out there and

and start to take a look at that. You

know, the the materials in the roadway

that is an issue. I mean, who's

responsible for that? I don't know. But

I think the man that might have some of

those questions is standing beside you

now and hopefully he can answer those.

>> So, first thank you for calling. you

called the the sheriff's office Monday.

Is that correct?

>> So, it's dispatched by the chair.

>> I'll I'll talk to my refer to you too.

So, because of that, we received a

complaint. Police did send somebody out.

They talked to them. I think by the time

they got there, they were finishing

loading that equipment. So, the the

requirement for loading unloading

equipment T 10P to 7A. They clearly uh

outside of that time period. They pulled

them, they talked to them, there was

report taken. Um, Bill Long went out and

spoke to the uh, project manager at the

time. I also let them know. So that is a

violation of city code. It's a criminal

offense. Uh, and that same day I sent an

email to both Mr. Gross and his

engineer, Mr. Smith, make sure they were

aware of, hey, we had the complaint and

it didn't happen again. So although at

times things look like they don't

happen, there's a lot that goes on that,

you know, I I don't put out Facebook

updates or all that kind of stuff. So,

you know, by you calling them that

that's prompted that. So, I encourage I

mean I it's great to bring the city

council. I have no problem with that.

But calling their office, I'll grab a

card like when those complaints there, I

can get on like that day. That that

particular one we able to get on

quickly. Um and hopefully that will stop

it. You know, it's like anybody else. If

they don't, you know, we give them a

warning. If they do it again, they can

be cighted though. And that's a criminal

offense, not not a zoning just a zoning

offense. Um the loading equipment is 10p

to 7A of working uh without I I am

permitted to get an exemption. It

happens sometimes where they have to

work 24 hours. It might be out

[clears throat] of pond or something.

That's 7 P to 7. Loading unloading is 10

to 7. And and we encourage when you get

those let us know. Again I I don't care

if you come to council. If you call me I

can get one right away. And that may

stop you know two or three more nights

of that happening too. So uh you have an

absolute right to to do that. Again I

sent that email to Mr. G. reply back the

same day.

So on that I need to ask your the mowing

met with the lawn director and zoning

today. There are some issues with the

mowing the mowing um and how it has been

done. We're trying to work out the

specifics of the times that we have to

notify. My understanding is when that

went to council several years ago, you

guys changed it to 8 in from six. That

never got changed. Like that didn't get

changed. That was put in the law like

that. So, it's advertising six. That's

how we're we have to take complaints on

at that level. We don't get many

complaints, believe it or not. We

usually just don't get that many. So,

we're going to be bringing something

back to try to clean that up. But the

other part is uh their right to appeal,

how it has to be done, how we work with

the contractor. The whole idea is trying

to shorten that time period. In the

past, it was they had 10 days from the

time they were giving written notice

[clears throat] and we had to send it by

register mail. So you can 10 days add on

a couple the time they receive it your

12:15 he goes out inspects it says jumps

on my mode lets me know I call

contractor he has to take a couple

couple days to get out there to get an

estimate call me back once I approve his

estimate he's got five days to do 25

days down the road so it's not easy and

if we don't see it uh we have a

part-time building person he does the

zoning he doesn't see it and we don't

get complaints then you know I I know

personally I sent two in this week to

them to check uh it just takes as much

rain as we have this year, right?

There's a lot of places,

but as soon as we get those, we're

sending them to uh building and zoning

to make sure they get out there and get

the inspection. Let them start that

process.

It is, but we have to follow very

specific. We have to follow it or bring

it back to change that

might say.

>> Yeah. So grab unfortunately there is

absolutely zero I can do about dust

other than talk and ask for compassion

from them. There's nothing in our

ordinances that prohibit or require them

to do dust control. I do say think

that's something we should address.

There's a number of things we want to

address. Our building and zoning rules

that have to be changed and that is one

of them. We have a number of complaints

last year out on off Kenny Boulevard

because of the dust and they were

working so much area you didn't look

like they had a dust we talked to them

and they were willing to work with us

but regardless I think football field

looked like it was probably mud fields

come together with the dust there so uh

as much as I have passion about what

your your complaint is I have no legal

fight to make them make them stop us we

just going to say you got to be

realistic most of them want to

the dirt and debris the dirt and the

debris on the on the road. If you let us

know that we we hit them on that and

make them clean up. That is a

requirement. They leave that the rock or

the mud whatever then they are required

to clean that up. Um you know they have

to do it. So again that quick call in

hey it's it's out there especially like

right now I think out [snorts] there

it's it's bigger rock. So if it's

getting out there but um you know unless

somebody calls in I'm I I sit in that

office most my day because I have six

jobs not one and I'm not out inspecting.

that's not what I do. Um, so unless we

have somebody in that area that happens

to pick up, we may not see it. So often,

um, you know, and and it's when we get

the citizen complaints and those calls

what drives us to to get out. Obviously,

if our people see it, we address it, we

send it, but we welcome those calls when

that's not happen when it's not there.

>> Question, Steve. Do you know if the um

requirement to clean [clears throat] up

the mud and the gravel and stuff, is

that written into the codified

ordinances or is that a permitting

requirement for the construction

company?

>> Uh I would have to go back. I I think

it's actually in the codified. So

>> I'm looking for it and I can't find it,

but I'm you know, I'm just doing a quick

search here.

>> Yeah, I' I'd have to go back and see

where where that's at.

>> Okay.

>> I'm I'm pretty sure that that's

>> because if it's not in there, then that

that that definitely needs to be in

there. and and the dust control. We had

those complaints last year and we looked

it up. Could find nowhere where it's in

there. So, you know, again, just because

it's not there doesn't mean we can't

reach out to the contractors and ask for

some compassion um and say, "Hey, work

with us on that."

>> We don't get compassion get some teeth.

>> Oh, we need Yeah, that's one of the

zoning that needed to change.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah, I agree 100%.

>> Thank you.

>> Uh but I assure you, we have the the

same concerns you do. we just we haven't

know about it, you know. So, um you

know, getting those calls from a from a

citizen, from a resident is awesome. Uh

your call definitely sparked that uh

that call for me Monday and probably by

midm morning I had sent the email out

after I sent our people out and talked

to him. I sent the email to Mr. Roose,

Mr. Smith, Wes Smith. Uh and and I did I

had a reply back that day from him said

he would make sure he reached out. So,

that call prompt us to act

If

that action was done, why wouldn't you

call up?

>> What? Well, I didn't know you called

them anyway. I just knew there was a

call. So, I don't get a police log. I

don't work for the police or or the

[snorts] security department. We just

knew there was a complaint and it said a

citizen had called in there. You

addressed them, had exactly what you

said you said to them. That was in

there, but I don't get names and phone

numbers on that.

Police should have. They probably could

have followed up. I'm not sure, you

know, exactly why they did or didn't. I

don't know. Um, but that's that's that

particular company's one. Now, I will

say just so it's clear that that was a

company moving equipment, not one of

them working on the site,

>> but the site manager was notified too.

>> It was a guy named Wise.

>> A what?

>> A guy wise, which is I believe the

company doing the actual tour. S uh s

[clears throat]

>> Santa.

>> Yes.

>> Like the storm.

>> The storm. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

>> So, I mean in their truck

>> and and the site manager will be running

problems in some especially like again

you look at it London or John's Creek

there's multiple companies all over so

they've got to make sure they get the

names who they're talking to but we sent

it back to development and make sure he

gets it out to them too so

but we definitely I mean I feel the same

way we

had the best

>> truck speeding on Kenny it's taking

gravel dirt

Any else on that?

>> Nope. I know that. I mean, I know what

you're going through. My back

>> my backyard, Amy's backyard. We got

Johnson's Creek and I mean, yeah, the

dust and and all that. And it's just

like I know it's like it's going to be

done. I mean, it's it's not going to be

two years, three years. I mean, just a

short time period that we got to go

through this and after that, I mean, and

that's back to normal. So I the other

thing we do monthly, we just started

this two months ago, is we're having

monthly developmental meetings. So we

bring uh Tom Hale and the building and

zoning people in, we meet and then we

also meet with the contractors. So um

right now most of it's going on is with

Paul and his different developments, but

him and Wes Smith as engineer come in or

architect and we come in and discuss the

issues are ongoing. um if it's more

specific to the builders, they we bring

them into and and talk and discuss the

issues to try to to resolve them or try

to offset them up front. You know, we

are trying to do that. So again, that's

it's easy to say, hey, these are our

issues, but we hear from you guys,

people from the public, that helps a lot

to know what I mean, sometimes there

things happen, we just don't know. So I

do appreciate that.

>> Would we be able to talk about possible

dust mitigation at public service this

month? We we can talk about I just have

no teeth.

>> Would that absolutely?

>> Yeah.

>> Just kind of where would we bring it up

at? That' be the spot. Okay.

>> Absolutely.

>> All right. [clears throat]

>> I would think the uh

>> I would think the construction companies

I've seen this other places they have

like

>> anchor

behind

spray and eliminate some of that dust.

Uh, of course, then you know if you

spray too much then you'll have mud, but

um I think there's something we can

probably get done to alleviate some of

it anyway.

>> No, I agree. I I think it's uh a

community issue for sure. Last year,

like I said, I know we had the problems

out Johnson's Creek, but we've had them

in other places, too. And there's we're

just limited what we can do but ask

right now.

All right, thank you. Up next, we have

Raymond Anthony. If you could uh please

state your name and address for the

record, please.

>> Okay. Raymond Anthony, 521 Eaton Street.

I'll be a I have three topics. two of

which will go directly to the safety

service director. The first one is there

was a mandatory pre-bid meeting today

here. I didn't get a chance to come. Can

you tell me what exactly that was about?

>> It it'll be my comments later.

>> Okay. My second uh comment is I don't

know if this has been brought before the

administration, but the railroad tracks

down on the other side of town by the

new Dollar General store and the old

football field, you can hardly drive

across there anymore. It is so bumpy you

almost got to comp come to a complete

stop. I don't know if the city of London

has had talks with the railroad company,

but if not, I sure would like to have

the city start talking with the railroad

company to fix those railroad racks

there.

And the third one is uh resolution

133-26

sponsored by Shannon Trainer. Miss

Trainer, when you get to this

resolution, I read this resolution. I

have some questions about it. So, if you

could expound on more than just as what

is read here.

>> Okay.

>> Uh that would help me probably

understand that legislation better.

>> Okay.

>> Thank you.

>> Oh, I'm sorry. I did want to answer one

thing with the railroad tracks. uh

within hopefully the next year, year and

a half, we should be seeing those guys

getting on out of there. Uh that's where

the new bike path will be going through,

I do believe. Is that not it?

>> Wrong side.

>> Wrong side.

>> Fine.

>> That's still an active track, too. So,

>> well, hopefully we'll have some change,

but thank you very much for the heads up

then.

>> If if can I address that now?

>> Sure. So on the on the railroad tracks,

um unfortunately the railroads have a

huge uh amount of authority forever in

Ohio. Um but that doesn't prevent us

from being I know this has been even due

to this position in conversations

already had. I know this has been a year

after year issue. Uh I've made note I do

recall recently having that conversation

with Bill. Um but I made note here to

try to bring that up again um tomorrow.

Actually I'm I'm not the Austin bar.

I'll send an email out tonight for uh to

see what the most recent part was at for

that. So, uh and then on Well, I'll wait

till my

>> Are you ready for me?

>> Okay.

>> Nope.

>> I'll get

Okay. On to committee reports. Greg,

>> we don't have anything new to report

tonight. Um, the finance meeting will be

next Monday, May 11th, 5:30 in the

conference room next door. Just to give

everybody a heads up since I handed out

those um [clears throat] those salary

sheets that we had gotten through

Morpsy. I mean, we're going to have to

start discussing this. And if you guys

have ideas, get with me or if you want

to write things down and say, "Hey, you

know, this is where I think it should

be." We're going to have to come to a

consensus later if elected official

salaries are going to be changed at all

before the next election cycle. So

that'll be a thing that we have to talk

about at some point just to give

everybody a heads up. That's all I have.

>> Thank you, Lisa.

>> I have nothing.

>> Rich, uh safety meeting will be May

12th. It'll be next door at 6 o'clock.

[clears throat]

>> Andy,

>> yes. Service committee meeting will be

in the meeting room next door at five

o'clock next Tuesday the 12th.

>> Shannon

>> got nothing.

>> Tommy

>> got to go to the tree commission. So

that one came up. I haven't gotten to

see those guys too often. So once I saw

we had one, I've got to pop on in. Uh

one of the kind of issues I do want to

bring up is I had arrived five minutes

early and the meeting seemed like it was

already five minutes at least into the

meeting. And so just kind of making sure

that yeah, we're getting meetings

started at the start time that is

planned. Uh, another item that kind of

popped up with that was we have a shade

tree commission that goes around and it

seems that analyzes, hey, what trees are

dead around the city? Issues that we are

having with this. Is that committee

supposed to bring that up to the tree

committee then afterwards?

Yeah, I was having a little bit of an

issue. It seemed like we had two

different groups that we should have in

there or but it was kind of we have the

same people on both groups and so that

was one that hopefully we can keep

looking into but

yeah

>> it's the same group.

>> It's just one committee. [clears throat]

It's the shade tree committee.

>> Okay,

>> cool. So the shade tree committee is the

tree commission then also. Okay, so

thank you. That clarifies that one kind

of difference of titles, but yeah, very

happy to see that we're going through

everything else with it and getting

things added in to make the area safer

and kind of get things cleaned up. Uh,

public service just kind of wanted to

make a note from the last one that we

had brought up offering a family pool

pass for our ambassador program. Just

kind of helping watch our parks with

picking up trash, kind of bringing a

heads up to the city if, you know, maybe

there's something that needs a repair.

uh didn't get much traction yet, but

kind of hoping we can find some way to

still work around with that and find

some way to give a little benefit to

some citizen that might want to help us

keep eyes on our partners. But that is

all for me.

>> Thank you, John.

>> I have nothing.

>> Mr. President, I do have a couple

questions if you may.

Uh Rich, Mr. Hayes. Uh, I don't know

that this applies to your committee or

not or whether it's something that needs

to go more to zoning enforcement and

maybe through the safety service

director. We had a house at 87 East

Lincoln that burned up like a year and a

half ago. It's still not boarded up

properly. [clears throat] This is a real

safety concern. Any kid in the

neighborhood can walk in that place. Um,

I drove by it quite a few times

recently, but I actually drove down on

the side street just to look in the side

there. So that door is open. Someone's

put a fridge in front of it. We still

have the the front that's wide open, you

know. So I think this should be a safety

issue. I think this is an issue that we

should get taken care of. It it needs to

be properly boarded up. Um from what I

understand, our fire department used to

have that responsibility, but they don't

do that anymore. nor do I know that they

or do nor do I think that they should

really have to except that they're on

the scene right then and they would be

you know the first responder that could

do that if we could charge for that

there are companies that that's what

they do that they are 1800 board up they

come and board up properties that have

been damaged so that's the first concern

with that and then the second thing that

I came across and I don't think we have

this and this may be a zoning issue is

that some sitting have some cities have

zoning requirements that if a property

propert is damaged to a certain

percentage and the percentage that I

seen here was 75% that it's not savable

that if it hits 75% that the city can

then force the insurance company by

regulation to say this is not a savable

building and it must be reconstructed at

a certain percentage. I don't think we

have that. I don't know if we want to

look into it, but it was just a thought

process that maybe it needs to go to

safety, maybe it needs to go, you know,

to the zoning people and and look at

that. Maybe that's something that we

need to look at in the future. But I

just wanted to bring that up to your

attention for your committee.

>> Can I address both of these?

>> Yeah, go ahead.

>> So, so uh your comments about 82 uh East

Lincoln, I would ask if you don't mind,

send me an email. Um I was out doing

street evaluations with uh Bill Long and

and is this on?

>> All right. and um our contractor earlier

this week and we drove by there and I

know that had been addressed several

times in meetings and I was surprised to

see that was still wide open. I brought

that up with uh Christy West and Tom

last week today. That was discussed also

at um the meeting with the law director

had brought it up. There was some back

and forth. Same thing. Well, fire has a

responsibility being 36 years in the

fire department. It's not fire's job to

you know they often do um like

temporary. So let's say a fire in your

house will board up the windows. more to

keep rodents and and pets out. That's a

pretty damaged house. That's

responsibility of the homeowner and it

should in my opinion come from the

zoning or the building official saying

it's condemned or it's dangerous. Um

that was addressed today. Law director

agreed with me. Hey, we have to do

something. There was apparently a letter

sent in October and I don't think

appropriate follow-up, but we are

addressing that. I I asked if you could

send me an email though that will help

spark

>> my other but just to address part of

that if if a property is insured then

obviously insurance company but from

what I understand this property was not

insured. [clears throat]

So we've had houses in the past that

that we as the city have said it's it is

not repairable and we as council have

had to approve money to knock the house

down because it's beyond that point. And

maybe that's an maybe that's what we

need to do that then gets put back on

the property taxes so that once the

property is sold even if it's vacant

land that the city gets reimbured for

that service but something probably

needs to happen. So thanks for that

>> and and I think even on that zoning side

they order it to be secured. They don't

I think that gives me authority just

like with the mowing to cause it to be

done and to put that on their taxes too.

And and I agree with you the issue there

is clearly safety. Um, we're that fire.

I just checked with the the fire chief

earlier today. That was March of last

year and we're already past a year. Um,

you know, that that's that that's that's

a problem for sure. But I I asked you

send it just as another push saying,

"Hey, we're getting push from other

places, too, if you don't mind." And

then the other the other one was um your

question about tearing them down. Uh,

Shannon, I'll lean to you. That may fit

into what our discussion at the land

bank was. So I think there are other

looks at that too to make sure and other

communities in the county are having the

same issue of what you can do with

blight or the the houses are run down.

So that clearly is something I think

that we should continue to look at from

from the zoning andor building um what

our codified ordinances are.

>> Thanks. I just wasn't sure where to go

with that.

>> Thank you.

>> Okay, back to you Steve for the official

reports. [clears throat]

>> All right.

I'm I'm I'm glad the last two days I've

really been on top of the things that

are coming today. But uh police building

underground issues are going to cost us

about $92,000.

We did not have enough money in our

contingency was left. Um I was able to

work with them and because of the money

we had left in utilities that hadn't

been used because of the Ohio, we're

able to transfer some money and make

that. I don't think we're going to need

any other funds there. um it is going to

push our project out a little bit

further because of scheduling for the

they're going to do the seatment

stabilization so push a little bit

further but we're still on target really

for a July 30th dedication um and then

Greg in our conversation before um one

of the concerns uh the way the money was

going if there was money left meaning in

those funds um

rule development said we can't have that

money like it's not ours to take and my

concern the we did the the billing,

[clears throat] there would be money

left in one of those accounts. Uh I had

a conversation with her about the other

day and she called me back and said that

because of all the money we've already

spent um that they could use that to

reimburse us. So if there are funds that

let's say that are set up for certain

parts of construction that didn't get

used um we could use that to apply to

reimburse us for the funds we've already

spent. Uh so you know and my concern was

not leave grant money laying on the

table somewhere and not get used. You

know that was my big concern. I don't

know if we'll be there anyway, but you

know, there may be certain accounts that

didn't get drawn all the way down.

Instead of giving that back to rural

development, we'll be able to apply it

to some of the money we've already

taken. I do not anticipate coming back

for for additional funds. Hopefully,

that doesn't happen. Um anyway, that

that building's one good dedication July

30th. Uh I don't have a time yet. We'll

obviously notify you all when as we get

that kind of stuff set up. Uh

sanitation. So the pre- bid me meeting

um that was today that was a mandatory.

We had three different companies come in

for the pre- bid. What a pre-bid is is

to discuss the bidding. It's complicated

enough to make sure everybody

understands. And the biggest issue is

that the companies here exactly the

same. If they have questions they have a

chance to ask, everybody gets it asked.

So once we put the legal um uh

invitation to bid out there, any

changes, anything that's discussed

should be shared with everybody. So we

required them to come in. uh we had

three different companies about 10

people that come in for that meeting

today. Uh a number of of questions I

will be sending out some answers to like

ju just some of the areas appear to be

vague and they have questions about it.

So those the pre-bid is to discuss the

specifics of of the what'ss and wins and

you know issues like are we using

continuing to use our trash cans? Yes,

we are. Some of that kind of stuff and

the language is in there. I will say

that uh so the pre- bids today the bid

opening bids have to be received by

11:00 a.m. on the 21st. We'll open them

at 11:30. They'll be read and then

that's it for that day. Um we'll

evaluate those bids in in over that next

week. Um and hopefully within a week

we'll have that done and make a

determination to award the bid. Um and

then we told them all that we would

expect that within 60 days of the award

that they would be prepared to take

over. So it' be some negotiations in

that of what they have to do when and

when they would take um actually take

over the sanitation operation. So

July

>> I I think you're going to be looking at

July or August somewhere in that time

period. Yes. Yeah. Some somewhere in

there. But and

so and I just won't be able to tell

until that until that award. So if we

award let's just hypothetically say we

open the 21st. Let's say we award it on

June 1st and we're probably by August 1

and then then they'd be well uh ready to

to take over.

question.

>> No.

>> No, you don't have to set it out, but

you're everybody pays the same. It's a

closed system and including for

commercial, it's it's the same for

everybody. We don't we don't want four,

five, six different operations coming in

town. So,

>> you're not you can't burn trash. So,

that's illegal.

>> Yeah. Uh, no. And that's that's

consistent most most communities across

the state. So, it is it is a mandatory.

>> Just one quick question.

Will be publicly open.

open to the public.

>> Absolutely. Yep. And and that do you

know where that conference room's at?

Instead of coming here, it's that

hallway that the next door down here.

>> Yep. Absolutely.

>> Is that on the 21st also at 11:30?

>> 21st. So 11:00 a.m. they have to have

their bids. 11:30 we'll do the opening.

And just so everybody knows, that's

non-fanfare. I mean, everybody's

welcome, but literally the bids are

open. I read the bids off. That's it.

There's no award. We don't tell anybody

what they're getting, but everybody gets

to see what it is. Uh so that it's it's

transparent.

>> Yes. Yeah.

Do

>> how do you feel about possibly having a

choice by 6:30 that night for us?

[laughter]

>> Not happen.

Not a chance. Uh we'll have to evaluate.

There's a lot of things have to go

through. Um we have to look the

companies. We have to look their

history. There's a lot of things have to

be done. I think it'll take the better

part of a week, a couple hours each day

probably um to evaluate. So unless the

numbers are way off.

>> Yeah.

>> And and then results.

>> Yeah. that would be different

uh city logic. So, we talked a little

bit about sidewalk stuff. So, really it

can't do move forward with anything

until a plan is developed. We've been

saying that from the very beginning. Um

Mr. President, you set up that training

for May 13th at 6 p.m. I know you've

been sending invitation. I would ask the

others if you plan to attend that, send

me an email um so that we can send back

your invitation um and we'll we'll get

you. So, it's going to be a Zoom link or

whatever. Um, and I will I will get that

sent back. Just send me an email. Um, I

say that because I know not all of you

use that. You got to send me the email

from how you plan to go in and watch

that training. So, if you're going to do

it from your city, not a problem. If

you're going to send it from your

personal, we just need I need to know

what that email because they don't

transfer well. So, if you send that back

May 13th, 6 p.m., it should be around 30

minute training.

Um, so we we talked about mowing. Um,

just to hit a little bit on the mowing,

some of the issues that come up is is

how the ordinance is. I do anticipate

some changes. I briefly brought up um I

think Janelle had brought up today.

Wasn't wasn't my intent to bring us up

today until we did it, but since it came

up um that I think originally was 10 in,

they came back and asked for six. My

understanding is council didn't like the

6 in, thought it was too reserved, want

to change it to eight. However, it

didn't get changed by who whoever was

clerking andor when it went in. So, it

went back in and was signed as 6 in. It

never got changed. Um, I ag I I agree

with you like I'm pretty pretty lerary

about a 6 in cut, but um as we look at

those other changes, I think we can make

those changes in that. Um, we met with

the law director. Main part of that is

making sure we make specific changes.

Um, is there appeals allowed? Uh, how

does that work? Which code are we using?

How we're writing it? More importantly,

how we're documenting it and trying to

narrow that time down. So instead of um

you know being a month or 45 days that

that it takes to get it done, we get the

complaint, can we can we possibly even

get yards cut within 15 15 days? So

we're trying to work on that to make it

expedient but also legal.

Uh and then I I think I I'd mentioned

earlier so I was out with Bill and

Dominic from um Strongzer doing the

street evaluations. um that that process

was a learning process to make sure um

and I think we talked about before part

of that is getting it as close to that

time so that things can be adjusted as

necessary. So as if we did it in the

fall, you're you're not getting a clear

look of what your streets look like. Um

I hope within the next week or two we'll

have uh an evaluation and our our quote

of what we think we're going to get done

this year. Um I do think from what we

had hoped to do, we're going to be short

a little bit of money. We'll have to

push some in the next year. Um but he

also made some comments on um some of

the other streets that we had looked at

some Tom that you had brought up. Uh

went and looked at those and some of the

comparisons and then and also talked

about how they tie in with the re the

the um

the paving that's going to happen you

know this year to again try to utilize

our money in the best manner possible.

And then after that, probably after this

year's, we'll go back and look and then

probably determine if we need to do a

new street evaluation, like do that

process again and start that evaluation

over.

And that's all I have unless we have any

questions.

I do have a couple, not really

questions, but I did uh pull up the bid

package today and went through that. I

was really happy to see some of the

language that was in there. Um, I don't

know that we I don't know that I came

across the specifics about the um curb

assist. It's it's probably in there. I

just I just glanced through

[clears throat] this earlier. Um I was

glad to see some of the sub or some of

the insurance requirements and the

performance bonds. And if you don't know

what those are, those could be really

important if somebody doesn't come and

do the work that we can come back and

get money because they didn't do the

work. Um I think we've had some

contracts in the past that may not have

had that language in there. So, you

know, I think this was well written. I

think it makes it look like they're

you're asking for these companies to

give us the same service that we

currently have uh with recycling, with

yard waste, and all of that. So, I was

glad to see that. I just wanted to thank

you for that.

>> And and to let you know that's exactly I

started that meeting today was that was

our intent to carry that um the same uh

product line as we have now, that

service to carry it on the curb assist.

I do want to talk because I've had a

number of people ask so if anybody does

watch this um but you know it's the ADA

requirements um anybody that's confirmed

ADA requirements and over 65 all three

of those got listed and then the they

have the option meaning the company can

or may not offer the to other people

where where we just went through that.

Um if they want to offer it they can and

they set the price of what it is. If

they don't want they can opt out of

that. That's an optional bid. they don't

have to bid that, but um it is it's in

there as a mandatory part for the other

and that let me rephrase that that's

also at no cost for those that are 65 or

older infirmed or meet the ADA

requirements. They just have to apply to

the company. Um the other thing we had a

big conversation so as we talked about

was like transfer. So part of that

negotiation after we pick them is how we

make that transfer. uh you know the

operations billing there there's a lot

of little things that will have to go on

to make that during that 60 days that we

go on like really just transferring it

from the city over to them to make sure

it goes as smooth as possible. Uh and

I've engaged with um mid Ohio at our

monthly uh meeting talked to them about

it in terms of bill billing and some of

that they're providing documents so that

the new company whoever will be will

have a good list of customers too. So,

uh, it it is a lot.

>> Was there any issues with the alleys not

being plowed possibly and having

customers on those alleys?

[clears throat]

>> Um, it Tom, I can't tell you exactly how

it's listed, but it is listed in there

about their alleys. Um, I think it's

estimated, I think high estimate of 100

people that they still have to be picked

up, but uh, I'll be honest, I I don't

remember exactly what that wording is.

There is wording specifically in there

and I'll be glad to go over it with you

if you want.

>> Sounds good. Um, and I guess as far as

the training with the sidewalks, it

sound like we can't make a plan till the

training. Do you mean a plan

[clears throat] to do the training or a

plan for the sidewalks? Essentially,

>> it keeps coming up and you know what are

we going to do? What are we going to do?

Well, we presented that to council when

we talked about doing this sidewalk

evaluation begin with. Um, what is what

are we going to do? So, I've been

looking for grants. I've been looking at

issues like that. Um, I've got a call in

to one, maybe two companies to come look

at our sidewalks out here. The fire

department's got somebody looking at

theirs to get estimates. So, we're

trying to address ours um from that

perspective, but how are we going to

address and what priority? Um, I think

it come up in every discussion we had is

how are we going to do that? And I think

that discussion still has to be held.

You know what the law is very specific.

It's the homeowner's responsibility. the

property owner, it's their

responsibility uh to maintain their

sidewalks and the property and the

easement. Um so we just need to continue

to talk about after you know what are

our issues, how do we want to establish

priorities, how do we want to go about

it. Um I think that's that's a

discussion that all of us need to have

about what what our what our priorities

are. I guess I would say,

>> do you think that would be one that you

guys are bringing forward is maybe, hey,

these sections of the city properties we

want to get fixed first? You know, cuz

us coming up with the plan is kind of

where I feel the confusion or

[clears throat] conflict is here.

>> I think clearly the plan should be ours,

but but it's been made very clear from

council that there's input there and I

agree, you know, work session or

whatever. The city plan um we're going

to we're going to develop that plan.

We're looking at the different places,

see what we can do. Um if you look out

the front like that whole sidewall

probably needs to go but if you look out

on high street it's pretty good. Um Cing

Parks we're going to look and then and

again same thing is prioritize. Can we

make minor repairs? Can we cut pieces

out? Can we do um if it's a lifted can

we can we grind it down or shave it off?

We'll we'll look at those and and

develop that plan. Um and with that plan

I'll bring back to council through the

committees of what our plan and action

is and what we want to do. Um I'm asking

for estimates. I don't know costwise yet

where it's at. Um my guess is I'm

probably going to be doing either a full

bid or RFP to address some of those

issues. So,

>> and I guess my last kind of one going

along with sidewalks was with East High

Street there because yeah, that was one

we specifically brought up at that

public service committee and uh discuss,

you know, is there any way for us to

even go after Omnifiber or whoever it

was that put in any of these lines or

>> so? Yes, there is. Um we're we're also

looking at some changes. Uh so this past

week we had a complaint come from uh a

resident that apparently Omni had

boarded we think two or three years ago

that affected their sanitary sewer, but

it just didn't show up till now. Um Mid

Ohio's pushing back because it's a

lateral. It's not their responsibility.

Um and Omni has not returned our calls

yet. So we're we're in the process. I'm

not going to discuss publicly what we're

doing, but we're in the process trying

to work through that right now to force

them in that. Um, one of the discussions

that we had, um, if you recall last

fall, we had a lot of problems where,

uh, Lighthouse, I think, is a

subcontractor that's hitting all kinds

of of areas. Um, so requiring a

performance bond, but also a maintenance

bond. So, another discussion I had with

the law director this week was to

investigate further. So, the problem

with a maintenance bond um is how long

can I hold it? How long can we require

that maintenance bond to be in place?

So, we just need to kind of look at that

and verify how long it is um to that

that'll help us force their hands to

make those repairs.

>> Got we can pull their permits if if

they're not, but the issue is something

happened three years ago. It's kind of

hard to go back and pull permit that

doesn't apply. So,

>> yeah. Well, hopefully those Yeah. are

something we can look back into changing

because I agree that when you see a six

foot chunk of sidewalk that's entirely

sunk down a inch inch and a half almost

you know something's wrong

>> right so

>> no I I don't disagree

>> that is all thank you much

>> you can

>> yeah after the after the meeting if you

want to stick around and ask a question

that's fine on to old business

for second reading resolution 129-26.

Could I get a motion to read by title

number?

>> So moved.

>> Second.

>> Resolution 129-26

sponsored by Shannon Trainer. A

resolution amending resolution 179-25

establishing a blanket and super blanket

purchase order amount limit as required

by OC 5705.41D3.

This was a recommendation

slash strong suggestion from the uh

state auditor um on the uh

the way the um purchase orders have been

working for the auditor's office. They

um recommended slashreed that we have a

blanket purchase order amount. The

blanket the prior blanket purchase order

amount was um too low to be effective.

So, this modifies that dollar amount uh

to not exceed $50,000 unless authorized

by ordinance of resolution. Blanket

purchase orders are limited to a single

line item appropriation and um they

can't exceed

uh any lawful appropriated amount for

that specific line item. So, this is

again just um really ministerial kind of

cleaning up stuff internal to the

auditor's office.

Any

discussion?

On to resolution 132-26. Can I get a

motion to read by title number?

>> So moved.

>> Second.

>> Resolution 132-26

sponsored by Lisa Jackman. A resolution

revising

job descript.

This one was just to tidy up some of the

job descriptions with the street

department primarily. I believe um Steve

let us know this evening that they are

going to need to make some other changes

to those descriptions um that we were

modifying on this, you know, with this

piece of with this resolution. Um, and

the the new changes are going to have to

do with residency requirements and

proximity for mainly department heads or

people who may have to get back quickly

to,

you know, the station or whatever.

>> Steve, he he he can give a better update

than I can, but we will need to modify

what has been presented.

>> Sorry, you guys a lot quicker than

thought.

So, um, one of the legislations we're

bringing was to make changes to the

residency rule. Um, Ohio had changed our

law a number of years ago. The city

addressed it under the law, um, but it

was vague. Um, in reconsidering how we

were going to write it, meeting with the

law director, um, we think that both the

the current code, the state code, and

our current codified allow us to

[clears throat] require residency of

certain people, those that we would

require to come back, police chief, fire

chief, the directors of street uh, all

all the department directors. I'm

already required by law to have

residency within six months. um and then

street department drivers and then

probably the um right now like the K9

and a detective. Um the best way we

think to address that is is placing it

in um the job description. That way when

they're applying for the job, it's right

in there. There's already a form in our

PPM that requires they sign that. So

that's probably easier than changing the

other sections of law or modifying what

the other the PPM really everything. It

just says certain ones, but it doesn't

define what they are. So, uh, street

department, the drivers will be

[clears throat] required because of the,

um,

responding back because of snow

emergency or whatever. We just put those

in. So, we'll be bringing

Greg to your committee Monday, uh, those

requests for the changes.

Um, we can address it however you want

on those, whether you want to uh, amend

that or or wait.

So I think it would be police chief,

fire chief,

uh street department, parks wreck,

um K-9, police detective, and the and

the street the drivers.

>> Now, are you talking about res being a

resident of the city or being living

within

>> county or connected county? We can't we

can't quantify the number of miles it

says the county or adjacent county.

That's that's the wording it says that

we're allowed to change it to has to

stay that way. So again, instead of

changing another ordinance, which we'll

put in the job description, the job

description update if if there would be

new needs to that, we'll just update

that job description so it's clear which

positions that it applies to.

>> Any other discussion?

>> No, but as you mentioned, we could move

to amend that part tonight, but it can

just go to the committee. We still have

another reading on this. We can bring it

back and amend those specific street

department descriptions at that time.

We'll just [clears throat] need to

remember to do that at the next meeting.

>> As far as that part goes, are we

decreasing any from within city to just

being within Madison County or Okay.

It's just adding you can't legally do

that. Yeah. Okay. So, they can literally

live anywhere in the state. They just

have to get to work on time. those

certain positions and that basically

quotes that it says there people would

we expect to be able to respond back in

an emergency or disaster

>> and thank you much on that. Uh other

kind of question I had to go along with

that one our superintendent for the

street department that is salary

position or is that

>> salary?

>> Okay. And so that was one where

[clears throat] with us saying hey we're

okay with them gaining the CDL once they

get into this position. Are we requiring

prior experience or having that license

prior to this position?

>> No, it doesn't require that. That's part

of that change. It's not required. It's

desired and I can require them to get

it, but I don't even have to. Um, and it

in and it if you read what both the PPM

and the job description, it lists what

those preferred and those desired. And

the BPM, it clearly states that as

appointing authority, that's my

responsibility to make sure we're going

after the best person with round

experience and you know what they're

required to do.

>> All right. Cuz yeah, I mean it just kind

of comes up as tough to me to say, hey,

we'd bring somebody in as our street

superintendent that may not be able to

tell some of the other individuals how

to drive the trucks.

>> So, I I'll use the same example I've

used before. Um, the fire chief is not a

paramedic. He supervises paramedics. Uh

the police chief's not a detective or

K9, but he handles them. Their job is to

oversee and to make sure those people do

that job. I don't disagree that often

it's nice to have that knowledge and

experience. Um but that also on and

specifically about a CDL, but they may

have everything else and not a current

CDL. It clearly says they must be able

to to obtain one. So they have to be

able to obtain one.

>> Okay.

>> Have to be able to obtain them, meaning

they have to legally be able to get

that. But um if I have six people and

only one had the CDL but they had

nothing else, I have to hire that

person. That's what we're trying to

avoid is it gives the options to look

who the most well-rounded the best

candidate would be

>> because Yeah. And we've had one for a

good while that hasn't had this because

we are changing this mostly because we

aren't meeting this current.

>> That's absolutely wrong. That's your

assumption. It's not right.

>> We changed it in the other job

descriptions for the same reason. if

it's not required for them to do their

job. Uh making it a requirement makes no

sense. Having it so we can require it

but not to require it to hire. That's

not the only reason we're changing that.

And and again I I can I can vary from

that anyway. I mean the policy manual

allows me to vary it and to give him a

time period or no time period. So

>> for me it's [clears throat] mostly

financial. You know how can I see this

as you know gaining us money you know

losing us money. And essentially for me

it's kind of seeing, you know, if we had

a street department head that was also

with our sanitation department, you

know, driving these trucks to Kentucky

to be serviced, you know, if we had

someone that was in our street

department that, hey, is salaried and

could be making these trips, would that

be saving us money compared to, hey,

having one of our hourly guys that has

the CDL making these trips?

>> So my only answer to that, if they're

driving that truck, they're going to

drop it off and Bill's probably the one

following up. He's probably still going

with them, too. Typically, you're going

that far. There's two guys. So, I I I

get your concern, but it's it's again,

you're putting a very specific

circumstance at something and try to

direct it as a person. I'm looking at a

position, not a person.

>> Any other discussion?

>> Okay. On to resolution 133-26. Can I get

a motion to read by title number?

>> Some moved.

>> Second. Resolution 133-26,

sponsored by Shannon Trainer, a

resolution determining the sufficiency

of the application to add certain

parcels of real property to the London

Gateway Community Authority District to

amend the petition for the establishment

of the London Gateway Community

Authority as a new community authority

under chapter 349 of the Ohio Revised

Code to set a date for a public hearing

of the application. [clears throat]

Okay. Um, so this um it it sounds like a

lot of words. Um, in very um simplified

terms, this is a petition

um by way of a resolution

to add parcels the new Madison Reserve

project um to the already established

London Gateway New Community Authority.

Um this um is com is permissive as long

as you've got the um agreement of the

property owners and is approved not only

by city council but also by the board of

the the um new community authority. Um

this component of it would establish

council uh council's um approval of that

application.

the um this would apply globally right

now because I'm not sure that they've

gone through the parcel splits um over

there to the property and it would be an

incumbrance on those properties and

included in a deed restrictions once

those v once those properties are um uh

vended to their ultimate buyers.

Raymond, did you have some more

questions?

The way I read it and your Congress, but

there's multiple LLC's that want to add

to put their name to buy more property.

Is that it? Uh the reason all of those

LLC's are included is because they

either have partnership agreements. They

are the owners of the properties. They

but all of the the um approval of all of

these various LLC's is required as

they're standing of property owners,

property developers or whatever the

arrangement that they have in in order

to make sure that this project gets off

the ground. So in your comment earlier

you said that this pertains right now to

the Madison Reserve.

>> Correct.

>> Yes.

>> So

does it say that Madison Reserve want to

or does the developers want to put it

under this London Gateway Community

Authority District?

That's what this application would do

would be into in incorporate that land

into the new community authority and it

has its own uh strategic taxing

structure. It it it creates um revenue

stream to basically pay for the

instructure infrastructure that they're

um building right now.

>> Is that what we usually do for a new

housing? So, a new community authority

is um is a vehicle by which developers

can require or because of the deed

restrictions um and you don't pay

property taxes but you pay service

payments in lie of taxes um that

essentially um

reimburse the builders for undertaking

the cost of building the infrastructure

which is the sewers and the roads and

the sidewalks and the electric and all

those things. Um, and they are 100%

legal. They're they're popping up all

over everywhere in order to basically

offset the enormous cost of fronting

those millions and millions of dollars

in order to, you know, build the

infrastructure for these housing

developments.

>> Last question. What would be the

positive [clears throat] of joining this

London Gateway Community Authority

District versus not?

Well, that is obviously the prerogative

of the current land owners and the the

building and they um we I believe when

they came to us with the um the proposal

to create the new community authority um

and that's regarding the roughly 1100

acres um including Johnson's Creek and

all the other ones. Um there was no

surprise that once the Madison Reserve

project um got off the ground that they

there would be a petition such as this

one to add that to the community

authority and and spread that cost

sharing mechanism across the other

properties as well.

>> So going forward in the future any new

housing development

to be under the London Gateway authority

>> if they're owned by these same people

and they petition as the owners of that

property. I mean, I suppose the the NCA

could authorize on on a successful uh

petition from somebody other than um uh

Tomcat, uh Locust Developments, all of

the the ones that are listed in these

various LLC holdings. If they wanted to

entertain somebody else's application to

join the NCA, that's on them. um and

such a similar petition would come up. I

I kind of doubt that would would happen.

I think these uh this part particular

group of developers wants to keep their

their niche kind of closed, but that's

that would just be my guess, right?

>> Yeah, no problem.

>> Oh, there is a public hearing, Chris,

that's scheduled for the 21st of May.

So, we're kind of in a holding pattern

until that happens. Anyway,

>> any other discussion? No.

>> Okay. On to resolution 134-26. Can I get

a motion to read by title number?

>> So moved.

>> Second.

>> Resolution 134-26 sponsored by Greg

Eids. A resolution authorizing the

safety service director to advertise for

an RFQ and for NCA and TIF advisors.

>> All right. So, when this going back to

that original discussion,

um when this happened, the NCA and the

TIFFs, um we had a company come in and

say that they could help us manage that

because there's 19 separate taxing

districts within the TIFF, of which

we're going to have to manage 19

separate districts, each with different

building

times. And there's a whole lot to this.

Um I talked to someone at the auditor's

office. As soon as there's a $100,000

improvement made in the land, it starts

that tiff, one of 19, then the next one,

then the next one. So there's a lot to

it. And we had a company come in and

say, "We can help you manage this." And

the good part about that is is that we

don't have to pay them. That money comes

from the tiff. And and it is an expense

for the tiff, the tax increment funding

agreement. it's a a funding out of that

to pay for this group to help manage

that. And I think that's a benefit to

the city that they're going to help

manage that and also probably the county

auditor because they're not going to

have to go and do a lot of this work.

It'll already be done and I think

that'll be very helpful for everybody.

So, in order for us to have this company

come in or any company come in, we are

asking for uh requests for

qualifications and see who might want to

do this. We know there's only a couple

in the state, but to follow and do this

legally, we need to ask for this before

we could contract with anybody.

Any other discussion?

Okay, there's no new business. On to

round table. John,

>> uh, nothing.

Tommy.

>> Uh, nothing on my notes.

>> Shannon,

>> I'm good.

>> Andy,

>> I have nothing.

>> Rich,

uh, just want to thank everybody for

coming out tonight. A lot of interesting

questions and some good things brought

up. I want to thank all of our city

employees for doing their jobs very

well. And I just ask that the Lord

continue to watch over London and its

residents. Keep us moving forward. Keep

us all safe. Uh safety meeting Tuesday

night, 6:00 p.m. conference room. Thank

you.

>> Lisa,

>> I have nothing.

>> Greg, couple quick things. Hey, we were

talking earlier about uh Omni and the

work they're doing. Uh can you tell me

what's going on like on Riley Avenue? I

see all the flags down on the street or

down in in front of houses right there.

>> Um that might be Columbia Gas, but I'm

trying to remember what where where that

is. So, we have Columbia Gas got a lot

going on down in that area. Um Omni, we

kind of pushed around them because of

the last year's project. Um I'll be

honest, Greg, I'm not sure other than

that.

>> I've just seen the flags and I was just

curious about that. Um and second, we

discussed a little bit before the

meeting tonight. Um, so we have someone

in the audience who had been involved in

a car accident and um when presented

with a towing bill was $5,000.

That became a big deal because of the

exorbitant cost of that and that brought

a lot of things to city council to for

us to discuss. And I'm just wondering,

you know, have the pro towing protocols

[clears throat] been changed? I know

you've got some further information

about that.

So, um the requirement is that they have

uh they they post their they they

basically apply and post their bills or

their fees to us. Um they did that

earlier this year. It really should be

done by January. I think it was February

and March we're dealing with it. Um we

had I believe three that were rejected

by both myself and the law director for

costs that were not in line with um the

other the other um tote companies. They

were well outside three, four, five

times um the amount. Um I believe two of

them previously had um adjusted their

price, come back and we signed off and

actually the the last one came to me

today. Um I know it's on my desk. I

haven't reviewed it yet. It'll have to

go to the law director. Um but the the

whole idea is exactly that to you know

we can't regulate what their costs are,

but we can definitely not put them on

our tow list if it's well outside those

those numbers and and result in the

exuberant uh amount of money. So, um

hopefully that's going to work better

and then that's redone every year. Also,

with that, we also require they provide

certificate insurance, their workers

comp. They have to have their um the

their numbers for PUA saying that

they've got their their licenses to them

and and that too. So, we're making sure

that um they're registered number one

and number two that they meet all the

requirements to provide for uh safe um

towing operations the city.

Josh, can I say one thing? Sorry. Sorry

that I'm late. Um,

the Red Chefs won their soccer game five

to three, if anyone cares. But, um, I

just want to give Lisa Jackman a shout

out. If you didn't see, she won the

Junior Achievement um, impact award this

week and was recognized over in

Springfield. That's for the whole uh,

Mad River region, which is Clark,

Champagne, US. Um, and so it's it's a

pretty cool ward. It's for everything

she does for the community and

especially junior achievement. Lisa's

taught over 30 junior achievement

classes throughout her tenure of

volunteering. So, I just wanted to say

that and tell her once again

congratulations and and a well-deserved

award.

>> Thank you.

>> With that, could I get a motion to

adjurnn?

>> Motion to adjurnn.

>> [laughter]

>> I'm talking