Start a scrapbook.
>> She's not going to be here.
supposed to leave here and then they can
come.
>> That's mine.
>> They're just trying to make sure
>> I mean it's window.
>> So I don't know what that means. I would
ask
>> it.
>> So ours are probably all Windows 10 and
they'll have to they can buy that patch
for the MFA stuff.
>> Well, part of it. Yeah.
>> But but they're no longer being updated
for the year.
Windows 11.
>> There's a term for
>> service.
>> Service. That's one of the words. That's
not
>> the word.
>> Look at that. You've got that nice 1811.
You got that on. Eve's got hers on. Hers
looks a little different than yours.
>> We had a
presentation at 7:30 this morning.
And I was like, "Okay,
what can I get away with and where to
both places?
operational.
>> No, it's not the word.
>> Christmas party or something.
I don't know.
>> Is this a volume?
>> I guess push I think is you have to hold
that to
>> now.
>> I understand. It just seems like it's
picking up. It's really hot.
>> Really hot.
>> Really hot.
Terain
is no longer being supported. There we
go.
window.
>> We had some at least we did upgrade.
Tomorrow.
>> Yeah.
I would think
>> they're just checking
>> to make sure they're
>> the paper. It came through the I didn't
think they had
>> you check the email
Not by
>> should.
Got it.
>> But like
said,
Yeah,
>> I don't use it for
>> check my email.
I have one.
>> I guess I could take just
Yeah. When you turn that
Yeah.
Spirit Jesus.
Stop here.
Okay.
>> Yes.
>> Sorry. Okay.
>> Make sure you got
Good evening everyone. We'll call this
London City Council meeting to order.
Everyone will stand with me for the
pledge. In a moment of silent
reflection, Councilman McDaniels in
honor of your life
to the flag of the United States of
America to the stands nation
for all.
Thank you.
>> Mr. Clerk, will we take the roll call,
please?
>> Councilman Eids,
>> here. Councilman H
>> here.
>> Councilman Hayes,
>> present. Councilman Jackman
>> here.
>> Councilman McDaniels
>> here.
>> Councilman Saul
>> present.
>> Councilwoman Trainer
>> here.
>> Thank you.
I'd like to thank the clerk. If you
don't know, tonight will be his last
council meeting. Like to thank him for
his service.
I thought it was very professional and
uh the minutes I will I could always
follow along with those. I certainly
appreciate your efforts and I do want to
thank you. Uh moving on to the minutes.
Is there any additions or corrections to
the minutes tonight?
Hearing none. All in favor?
>> I and opposed.
Thank you.
We're not having any public hearings
tonight.
Communications and announcement. We do
have a an announcement. So, our next
meeting would be scheduled for January
the 1st. We're not going to meet on
January the 1st because this building
will be closed. We are going to move
that meeting to January 5th, Monday,
January 5th at our regular time. We'll
have our swearing in that day. Anybody
that needs to be sworn in, we'll have
the swearing in that day. Mr. Boyd, did
you pick up on that? Thank you.
Then we'll move on to our regular
schedule of first and third Thursdays of
the month after that. So once again,
January 1st meeting has been moved to
Monday, January 5th.
Audience concerns.
Mr. Kevin Crossley, if you'll step up to
the microphone, state your name and
address.
Kevin, 1044 way
sanitation. I know in past meetings
regarding recycling this and that it's
been put off that former safety director
service safety director was kind of
let's move forward from all that start
fresh
we need bodies
some equipment and this department will
run sufficiently
and make the city proud that's all I
have
thank
Mr. Raymond Anthony,
>> Raymond Anthony, 521.
On December the 10th, I sent an email to
the mayor and this is what I sent to
him. I go I tried to listen to the
December 4th, 2025 city council meeting.
However, I could not because there was
no sound. I went back to the November
20th, 2025 city council meeting and
there was sound but not loud enough to
hear what was being discussed.
Whose responsibility is it to make sure
the sound system is turned on before
every city council meeting and to make
sure there is enough volume so you can
watch and hear the city council meeting
as well. I attend most of the city
council meetings. I have brought this
issue up twice in the past year only to
fall on deaf ears. The city can
appropriate monies on just about
anything, but the city can't come up
with funds to upgrade our sound system
for our city council meeting. I'd like
to read the reply from the mayor. The
city council meetings are their meetings
ran by them and the video videoing is
their responsibility.
If they would like to appropriate money
to upgrade, we can get that done.
Sometimes the issue is that they lean
back and do not talk into the
microphone.
At the last meeting, when the clerk
showed up, he let us know that it was
recording, but not the sound. We tried
to troubleshoot it on the spot, but it
didn't work. Since then, we've had a
technician come in, and it seems to be
working. I hope this answers your
questions and a wonderful day.
My comment to city council going into
2026,
I would hope that the city council would
look into this issue to where this sound
system can be upgraded so that if you
can't attend a meeting, you can listen
to it at home on whatever device you
have so that you can get what is talked
about in that in those meetings. Thank
you.
>> Thank you.
Along those lines, Mr. Anthony, I'll
just make a quick comment. Um I think
even though properly noted that we're
not required to have video, we're not
required to have an audio recording.
We've kind of set the bar that this is
what we do and have been doing. And I
and I agree that I I'd like to see that
be done consistently. if we have to look
at an upgrade, then I think we should do
that. So, just wanted to let you know
that. Thank you.
Any other comments?
Is there anybody that didn't get a
chance to sign up would like to speak?
Thank you.
Moving on to committee reports.
Start with Mr. McDaniels.
Public service and public safety on the
non
EMS I'll start
there's a plan to discuss resident
versus non-resident rates for 2026 at
the next parks and recreation meeting on
Tuesday January 26 4:30
repairs done before opening day park
installed new Christmas lights on Main
Street this year
recreational basketball game started
this past Sunday December 7th
January spring volleyball registration
be starting at the end of February and
there's
the park at Park Avenue
and the fire and EMS
had a departmental EMS training
pediatric toxicology through Ohio health
uh departmental fire training new
part-timer orientation
hosted several students for ride time
Grant paramedic class provided EMS
coverage for football games
began to drive festivities and just they
did in a funeral procession for
Lieutenant White. That's all. I have I
have a question whether for you or maybe
the administration with the paving of
the basketball courts and we're going to
put pickle ball there. Have have lines
been laid out for that already?
Has it been painted?
>> So, I think the plan So, the the paving
occurred. The plan is in the spring.
They will come in. Um, I don't think
it's going to be line paving. They've
got a platform they put down to set
those up. Nothing is like that's
occurred yet. And it was waiting till
spring. One, they had to be ordered. The
other not to put it down until it could
be set in the spring.
>> Would be a sport court type thing.
>> Sport court. Yeah.
>> Okay. I forgot. Um, and I think that's
targeting around May. Somewhere around
there is when it's supposed to happen.
>> Okay. I had someone ask about that the
other day. Thank you,
>> Mr. Hayes. We had safety service meeting
on December the 9th. All three committee
members were present. We approved the
November meeting minutes. Uh, Chief
Nickel attended the meeting, gave his
report. Uh, Mr. Stall will give that
report momentarily. Chief Es from the
fire department gave his report and as
you heard Mr. Anthony or Mr. Brent just
gave that
um
safety service director uh advised us
that they are in the finalizing
uh the traffic control plan or the
traffic calming plan and under old
business we had none. New business we
had none. very short meeting. Uh we
adjourned at 608. Next meeting will be
on January the 13, 2026 at 6:00 pm in
the conference room next door. Thank
you.
>> Thank you.
I attended the personnel budget and
finance committee meeting. Just quick
update there. The uh expenses, pardon
me, the revenue for the year
lost the revenue for the year 22,428,235
and change. If we subtract the $4.2
million from the bond, that leaves us
with $18,228,751.
The expenses for the year are 19,57,961
and change. One of the questions that I
ask is what's why are we below that
number? Um, and it was explained the uh
the paving that all came up later. I
mean, it was paid for. It was
appropriated, but it was an expense. So,
that kind of hit all at once with the
the paving for the year. Um, there
didn't seem to be much concern at this
point about that. Overall,
uh, department head updates. I'm sure I
do have the tax report and I don't know
that I have it in front of me. If I do,
I do. And if I don't, I don't. But the
taxes were up. Do you have that? Oh, you
want to give that in a minute? I'll just
let you give that.
>> Go ahead.
>> The Let's see.
General fund
was up 5.98%
for the year.
Uh for the fire department, that was up
7.52% for the year. I don't know if you
want to.
>> No, that's that's fine. We know the tax
collections are up a little bit. I
appreciate that. Thank you. Um, under
new business, we uh,
if you don't know it, we consider
ourselves a trail town for bike riders.
The, um, there's Morpsy and
I think the state maybe are working on a
trail town designation throughout the
state. They're using us as one of the
first ones. Uh, the friends of Madison
County Parks and Trails asked for us to
make a small contribution to they'll
need for their startup, which is
initially $6,500. They're going to raise
some funds, but they asked if we could
contribute and I think we agreed
up to $3,500
out of our own funds. We don't need a
piece of legislation for that. Uh there
were some new policies that have been
brought forth by the
our hired HR person. They brought those
forth and we're going to see an item
tonight about
the new computers. The police department
is in need of computers to make those
compliant at the state level. So, there
will be a piece of legislation that
comes up for that. There's also going to
be another piece about a police cruiser
if we want to go ahead and get a police
cruiser
this year instead of waiting for next
year. They have a normal schedule.
Can I say something about that?
>> Pardon me.
>> Can I say something about that?
>> Sure.
>> The police cruiser would be better than
a 70 plus,000 SUV.
>> Well, it's that's the price that there
is. I'm not sure what it is. Tell the
truth, Brent. I just I just know that
they they said that there was one
available now. We wouldn't have to wait
six to eight months to get it. We'll
we'll discuss that when it comes up in
new business.
>> Sorry.
>> Our next meeting will also be on the
13th. We'll follow the other two
meetings. So, we'll officially say we'll
start at 6:30. If they run over, we'll
be a little late. If they finish early,
we'll start on time.
Okay, that's what I have. Grant or
sorry, Andy.
>> I attended the finance committee meeting
and the public service committee
meeting.
Greg covered the finance committee
meeting and we had a very short meeting
for public service. So there's nothing
additional on that other than we will
meet January 13th at 5 o'clock in the
meeting room next door.
Strainer.
>> Uh just to fill in the blanks a little
bit about the Morpsy and the Friends of
Madison County Parks and Trails
initiative uh to be recognized as a
trail town. Um a trail town is a new
designation that right now is going to
places like Columbus, Westville,
Worthington that designates
municipalities or cities as being um
bike or cyclist friendly. Um, so it's
kind of really thrilling that such a
small community as London is on the
scale of um those larger cities.
The um initial deposit of $6,500 was
being um there were matching funds that
uh were raised by Madison County Parks
and Trails. The Friends of Madison
County Parks and Trails Chamber of
Commerce also committed. I think they
also did some um fundraising efforts.
the initial the the contribution from
the city amounted to $3,500.
That money was already available within
the budget for 2025 from professional
services. So, um it's just a matter of
invoicing
um should uh council approve that. Um no
no further legislation was needed. That
initial $6,500 fee would be followed by
a $2,500 annual um membership fee that
the Friends of Madison County Parks and
Trails that they can handle through
their regular fundraising initiatives.
Um, and the initial funding and the
continuous funding would be really
towards making uh London a place on the
map when it comes to being a trail town,
including um making sure there's ample
bike racks um and that the tree boxes
which are now helpful for cyclists to
come in the town
would also include lots of wayinding and
signage and promotional um is really
geared towards the cycling community.
Um, so I think not only is it a $3,500
well spent, but since the city would not
there be any continuing cost for that,
this is just sort of an initial startup
fee. Um, but I believe the city does
stand to benefit pretty immensely from
being recognized as a as a trail.
Um, other matters that were discussed at
finance are going to come up here later
on the agenda.
Thank you, Mr. Stall.
>> I attended the public service and the uh
finance committee and I have a report
from the police department for the
safety committee. Building construction
is progressing with frame roof trusses
in the concrete port on the detention
side and the car carport areas. LPD
attended the funeral and provided
traffic control for MCSO detective
White's funeral procession with the big
assist from London Fire Central Fire
Departments along with OSP
officer Dylan Myers has resigned as an
officer to accept a position with MCSO
officers assisted with security and
traffic control for the downtown
oldfashioned Christmas event. We are
once again hiring officers. job posting
is online and they're accepting
applications until January 5th. Thank
you.
>> Okay. Is that all you have?
>> Okay,
Jackman.
>> Yes. I attended the public service
committee meeting and I have the street
department's report. Um, as was
mentioned by a few others, they were
busy helping with oldfashioned
Christmas, running the street sweeper,
putting up signage, and also getting
ready for the snow. Um
there's also quite a few entries on
Bill's notes that they were helping with
the trash department. Um repaired the
arm on the trash truck. They've done
some tree trimming, the no parking signs
for oldfashioned Christmas. Worked on
the trash trucks. Um had to talk to a
citizen about a tree
plowed snow. Worked with oldfashioned
Christmas.
Provided assistance to the trash
department. um street sweeper for
oldfashioned Christmas
yard waste for the trash department.
They had to push it up and pick it up.
Repair the locking bar on a rear load
trash truck. Um more brush pile
work with the trash department. Um and
also had to work on the trash
department's backhoe. So they as usual
were very busy and all over town helping
out.
Thank you.
Moving on, city officials reports.
>> Good evening. Thanks everyone for coming
out. I do want to start off by thanking
Matt for his service to city council as
clerk. Appreciate all he did for the
city. And as you guys spoke about, city
council will now be looking for a new
clerk. So if someone is interested, they
can apply online at london ohio.gov
under job opportunities tab. Also want
to thank Mr. McDaniels for his service
to London City Council as it's his last
meeting today for now, right?
>> Early Christmas present.
>> Um, but we spoke about this, but the
London Police Department building
construction is ongoing. They're
continuing to work hard, but the weather
has not been kind to us, as you guys can
tell. Um, the snow and frigid days have
had a little bit of a slowdown. Um, but
they continue to make progress.
I do want to congratulate Madison County
on landing net world sports. It's a huge
investment in the county, bringing a lot
of jobs. And I've seen a lot of articles
and it says coming to London, which in
theory is true, but this property is
located on the corner of State Route 42
and 29. So, it's past the expressway. It
is a London address, but is not in the
city limits. So, I know there was some
confusion online when people started
posting those articles.
Um, but we are continuing to work with
one Columbus to get someone in the old
Honeywell building. Um, I've had they've
had some interest. We've had some
conversations. They've had some
walkthroughs in the buildings. Um, the
team will continue to work to hopefully
get that building filled soon. And one
Columbus does feel like they have a
couple real good leads. So I have set up
a time to meet with them in January to
continue the efforts to get that
occupied.
Uh Business View magazine has done
another article on London and they'll be
launching that article after the
holidays. Uh the article is named
Growing with Purpose which talks about
balancing growth also the infrastructure
and keeping that small town charm. I'm
excited to have the article be released
to highlight all the great things going
on in London and the teamwork that's
taken place to make that happen. I was
able to teach to Junior Achievement to
Miss Dunham's class at London Elementary
and I took a day and went and spoke with
Miss McCormack's seventh grade class
about career readiness. Going into the
middle school was a great experience
where I got to talk about my job,
different city jobs, and just employment
as a whole. Uh the young adults were
fantastic and they had a lot of great
questions.
And as I spoke about, you know, it's
always a key responsibility of the mayor
to do that community outreach and just
showing up and listening and staying
engaged with residents at every stage of
life. So opportunities like visiting
schools and helping teach students
matter because they help build trust and
spark curiosity and remind us that young
people at their local leaders are
invested in them and in their future.
Been able to attend some events around
town this month. Madison Hills heartfelt
holidays. Um, Madison County Board of DD
had their office decorate decoration
tour. Uh, the Rotary Club's Santa
breakfast. And then Buckeye Community
School had a pancake breakfast. And I
even got to show off the pipes and sing
at the board of DD's Christmas cabaret
with the Manning Sisters, which is
always a wonderful time and really seems
to get people into the holiday spirit.
I was also able to be part of London
Police Department's Shop with a Cop.
It was a great event that helped out so
many families and kids. Right now, it's
tough for some families around the
holidays and events like this and the
fire department's toys for tots and I
don't know if you saw but even a local
business, Reinhardt Speed Towing had a
toy giveaway for families in need and
that was amazing. So, I want to thank
them and all who gave to make Christmas
a little special for those families
around town that really need it.
Fun fact is the number seven.
It's only seven days until Christmas, if
you can believe that. So, I hope you
have all your shopping as well as
wrapping done. I want to wish everyone a
merry Christmas and a happy new year.
And I look forward to what 2026 will
bring, continuing working hard for the
citizens. And just let you guys know,
I'll be looking to give the state of the
city address either in the second
meeting in January or one of the
meetings in February. So, everyone has a
wonderful and blessed Christmas. Thank
you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Saltz.
>> So, I I'll just have a couple things to
add. So, um one, last week I had an
opportunity to go to a uh ODOT
conference on roundabouts. Um learned
everything I ever wanted to know about
roundabouts. Uh cost designs, a lot of
new trends out there. It's actually a
great uh they had people literally from
all over the country, uh different
states that attend. Um but for me,
especially starting getting into uh some
of the zoning and things like that. It
was a good experience to see the number
of options out there and have a path
forward. So, uh today I attended the
Mass County Chiefs meeting uh for the
police and fire chiefs. Um there we
discussed that London will be hosting a
fullscale exercise u in the spring. So
last year they did a tabletop actually
they may call this a functional um but
they'll they did a tabletop exercise um
involving one of our um businesses and
uh with hazardous materials in that and
they're going to do it's either
functional or full scale in the spring.
So um good good to see us participating
in that. Uh only other thing and we
talked earlier about some of the
policies. Um so one we talked we've been
going to communicate with you guys about
computer issues. So uh hope to have the
cyber security and IT policy updated uh
to bring it to the next meeting to get
those updated in and also just working
on updating and uh getting job
descriptions current.
Okay, any questions for the
administration?
Okay, thank you. Moving on to old
business.
Resolution 1892. Motion to read by title
and number.
>> So moved. Second
>> resolution 18925, a resolution
authorizing the audit to open a bank
account for the tax department.
>> Oh, this is mine. Sorry. Um, it is
exactly what it sounds like it is. Um,
there was apparently some confusion
uh with deposits coming in from the tax
department that weren't um readily
reconcilable
uh because of the the joint um deposits
that were coming in from the city. So I
think this proposal would allow tax
deposits to come into the tax department
being reconciled within that department
and then moving over to the auditor's
department. So it would be time saving
which is a cost-saving measure. Um
unfortunately it's just one of those
things that has to come before council
for approval. It's pretty administerial
but that's where we are.
>> Any further discussion on that? There is
an emergency clause on this.
>> She would prefer to have it by the end
of the year so it starts fresh at the
start of the year.
>> That would make sense to me, right?
>> Yes.
>> I'll make a motion to suspend the three
reading rule.
>> I'll second.
>> Mr. Reeds,
>> yes.
>> Mr.
Yes.
>> Mr. Hit.
>> Yes.
>> Miss Jackman.
>> Yes.
>> Mr. McDaniels.
>> No.
>> Mr. Saw.
>> Yes.
>> Miss Trainer.
>> Yes.
>> Motion to adopt.
>> Second.
>> Miss Trainer?
>> Yes.
>> Mr. Reeds?
>> Yes.
>> Mr. Hayes?
>> Yes.
>> Mr. Hit?
>> Yes.
>> Miss Jackman?
>> Yes.
>> Mr. McDaniels?
>> Yes.
>> Mr. Stall?
>> Yes.
>> 18925 has been adopted.
Moving on. 190-25.
Motion to read the title number.
>> So move.
>> Second.
>> Resolution 19025. A resolution
authorizing the safety service director
to advertise for bids for sanitation
department services.
>> So this is just what it sounds like.
It's to make a determination whether
privatize sanitation services or not and
to allow the safety service director to
um put out bids for that if we would
choose to privatize.
Is there any additional information for
related to that?
>> Well,
yes. Um I'm going to add a little bit to
that. It's just a discussion point. Um
so it seems it seems like we would be
a little quick on this. If we just went
in right directly to that to advertise
for bids, um, which we can do, we can
get the bids, although we don't really
know what the public wants. We're going
to be making a determination whether or
not we know what the public wants. I
think it would be
beneficial to the public if we get this
on the ballot. and the ballot could say
something such as should the city of
London continue with sanitation
services. At that point, if the if the
public speaks and say they want it, then
we know which way to go. We know that we
have to fix it. We know we're going to
have to raise our rates. We know that
we're going to have to do that. If the
public says no, we don't want to dis
where we we don't want to continue the
service. Then we know which way to go
there and we're going to have to put
that out to bid. We can as a council
move forward and try to push this
through
without knowing that. You know, we could
do a poll, but polls aren't going to be
very scientific. The most scientific
poll we're ever going to have is at the
ballot box. And um I I just think that
uh I wanted to bring that up. I've had
that discussion with a couple other
people that, you know, they seem to
think it was a good idea. Uh at least it
would be fairly done at that point. Um,
so whether or not you want to move
forward, we can leave this on the second
reading tonight and we don't have to
make that determination tonight, but I
at least want to bring that up for
discussion for later. Mr. Saltzman,
>> I don't think your mic's working.
I think it is.
>> Nope. He's just a good projector.
>> You're ringing away.
We'll try that again, Mr. Salsman.
>> Okay, better.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, I could I could hear you before,
but you know, we want
>> I project hear
>> uh so earlier conversation uh about
that. There there's a few issues have to
happen to extend that into that time
period. One is the extension of the
contract with um Rumpkkey to continue
their services. Uh the contract does
allow that to continue. I The last
meeting we talked about extending it in
through March. We could extend it for
the entire for that year. I've got a
call into them. They did not reply back
after I reached out for them today, but
I I expect that to come back. It is in
the contract that way. Um and there
could be additional costs as we talked
last week. We know there's some
additional costs that are added to it um
to to extend it because of issues that
exist currently at the transfer station.
Um so I I will definitely continue to
look at that. Um, you want me to go over
everything since we're on tape or how do
you want to do that?
>> Well, I mean, if if we're there's four
different things that have to do with
this and they all kind of tie together.
So, you know, even though this is 19025
to advertise for bids to to shop this
out, we're you're now discussing 191
because we have to have our trash hauled
away in the meantime. So, I mean, I
think if you want to just continue on
with that conversation, then we'll kind
of have a better overall viewpoint.
Thank you. So um the the initial look
was to see is it uh feasible to uh
maintain our current services or or
increase them to bring it up to service
uh or to privatize to um to
the the current services meaning uh
sanitation and uh recycling. So looking
at the two uh there's there's pros and
cons both ways. One of the things we
determined is that there's no way we
continue the current services. Uh add
the people and the equipment we need for
the current rate that we were. So our
determination originally was 8 to10
additional a month to get that. With
that came some of the stuff Mr. Crosley
talked about equipment. Um, so, uh, we
do have a number of trucks, but but the
realism is we have one lease truck, uh,
that we have that's used and then two of
the, uh, 2019 trucks that were
previously purchased that can run but
alternate when they're down, uh, and
other equipment. So, the the
initial ask was that we buy get rid of
the lease, buy two trucks, and then we
need to buy probably a rear load for the
dumpsters that we have. three three
different trucks to purchase. One of the
problems we have with the current system
is the uh we use that as a transfer
station. Um these guys go out, they pick
it up, they bring it back, they dump it,
it goes into a compactor. Um that those
compactors need upgraded boxes. I think
that's a proper term. Needs updated. Um
and and that's part of the reason for
the increase. That's Rumpky's
responsibility, not ours, but they're
going to charge us for that. The other
issue is it currently runs that system
runs on a rotor system and and we just
don't have the ability to keep repairing
that system. We would likely have to
upgrade to a three-phase system. In
conversations with um uh Ohio Edison is
they would have to run either a line
from I believe center street or from 56
over to there and the anticipated cost
is somewhere between let's say 150 to
175,000. Um that would be to maintain
that electric system.
for the for the system. We also talked
about some of the other uh the other
cost building repairs that would be
whether we privatize or keep it
ourselves probably around 150,000. Those
those are going to have to be because
it's a city building. We continue to use
it one way or the other. So that um we
need to put money into it, but it it
really doesn't have a real impact on
that decision. Um the biggest change I
think recently we've seen is the hauling
fees as they increase each year of the
contract and I expect them to continue
to go up. We just can't tell you exactly
what they are. I I know they're going to
be $83.40 a ton um starting January 1st
through March. We just don't know after
that because of the the need for a
contract. Um the recycling we currently
pay $1,300 a month to to transfer that.
Um the best I can tell you other than
that's our only real like part cost we
have. Um but as we've talked over and
over, what we do have is wear and tear
on the trucks. Um and and with that
sometimes also great overtime. So that
should be fixed with uh hiring people.
Uh question come up last time, what's
our staffing? So full staffing is seven
people. That would be uh I believe five
drivers, the superintendent and the
>> yeah title was the foreman. Um so uh as
you heard your report earlier that that
street department send people over there
regularly. Uh they can't go without
help. They can't get the work done if
they don't have the people there.
>> How many How many staff is the
sanitation department short right now?
>> So currently you have
>> So you have three people short.
>> So we had one employee was hired well
two that recently hired one that didn't
make it through the week. It is we
currently have one advertised.
>> Okay.
>> For a job.
So equipment uh the staff uh the to the
trucks and the and the maintenance of
the trucks are an issue. We had a truck
go down early this week. I'm not sure if
that was from an accident or just wear
and tear.
So, and so there's just when there's
time delays like that, we just don't
have effective equipment. That's part of
the issue. Um
trying to think some of the other
questions were asked just make sure I
hit anything. So, um you know, we again
with the authorized drink, we have five
drivers. Um the format itself we would
need to get a new superintendent replace
that position. Um
and then again as I spoke the equipment
upgrading the electric
getting rid of the lease which is more
expensive in purchasing a truck would be
the most effective. I think we'd have to
look at it if we we're going to extend
it out to decide if we just extend that
lease first. Um and then a cost
increase. So no matter what, I don't
think we can move forward without a cost
increase in coverage. Whether it needs
to be that amount in the temporary, I
think the current setup is to raise 3%
at the first year uh to meet with the
auditor to see what that number would
look like to get us through May.
Probably I think with the numbers we
would probably be okay, but I
give me some time here look at some of
the notes from last week here.
>> Go while you look at your notes. So
Councilman, you talked putting it on the
ballot and I think that it was done a
long time ago too, right? Was it put on
the ballot a long time ago? Do you know?
I think at some point it was also um so
if you decide to do that,
um I'm the primary May next year. So
would you guys be looking to raise the
rates before May or wait until you get
to May to see what to do?
Well, it's a that's a good question
since Mr. Salsman just said with 3%
increase that was already going to come
in that was already built in.
>> Correct.
>> With with that increase then you know
they might be able to get through bay. I
mean this is just in the first
discussion point of what we could
possibly do to move forward. I think um
if we think about the primary or if not
right so there was and I discussed this
with Mr. results from the bid earlier
today and that is if you wait until the
November election, you don't have time
to bid this out if you want to, right?
So, I think we're kind of we're kind of
in a situation that if we're going to
put it on the ballot, we have to do it
in May if we can. Um,
if it if it if we're going to change,
then we've got a six-month runup if
we're to get the bids and to do all of
that because you could make this
effective January one of 2027,
right? That's just a thought process.
I'm just bringing this up. Um, and
raising raising the fees. I mean, that's
also on here tonight as the mayor
mentioned. Um, so that is 19225. I don't
know what the thought process is on
that. I don't think that we're going to
be able to do without it one way or the
other. I just don't know if we have to
do it now.
>> As as long as this has taken to get into
this kind of condition, I don't think
waiting till May is too long to wait.
>> Okay.
>> I mean, it's this has taken years to get
to this
situation.
>> What's the time frame as far as getting
it on a ballot in May? It has to be
>> It's 90 days.
>> So that'd be the first of first week of
February.
FB.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah,
>> I believe. So I believe it's 90 days.
You said then we know what people want.
>> Well, that's probably the only way we're
going to know truly what the people
want.
>> I think this is transpire overnight.
This is taking right this situation,
>> right? I agree. Um, so I know you were
looking at your notes, Mr. Saltzman,
because we're kind of all over the board
here. Um, there were some additional
questions that were asked last time, I
since we didn't have a recording. Um, I
just want to address those again so we
can get those recorded.
Um, when the trucks were purchased four
years ago, was there an expectation to
keep the old rear loaders on the road at
that time? And did we get rid of any
older trucks at that time?
>> So that you're talking about the So I
think it was 2019. Is that correct?
2019.
>> Yeah, I guess that's the that's the
date. So that's longer than four years
ago.
>> Started in 2020.
>> Yeah.
>> Um I don't think they did get rid of
trucks that time, right? That was the
rear loaders. They went to those they
were kept. Um
that is we talked about that earlier. I
think we have two of those.
That correct? Two rear loaders that are
left that are there. Um one's a 2012 and
the other's a 2013. Is that correct?
>> That was like an 08.
>> Oh 08. Yeah. And then the only other
truck I think it's one when they went to
recycling was that the 13 the 2013 that
it's the green one. not used that much
um or not used at all is probably better
terminology. So
>> why it's not bigger
or
>> No, I I don't First of all, it's a lot
smaller. Correct. And that it's in
disrepair. It's not I don't know if the
word be rusted out.
Um that's a 2013. So
you in essence we have the the lease and
the two auto cars that are used
currently for trash pickup. If one's
down that creates creates an issue like
we we definitely need to get more
equipment as Kevin spoke people and and
the equipment what makes a difference.
Okay, next question. This was asked of
me today and I couldn't answer that and
that is if the rates are raised by$8
to$10 or whatever that number may end up
being. Um does this include keeping
recycling or is recycling going to be
removed and that cost would not include
recycling.
>> So that number did include what cost to
maintain and continue the recycling we
currently do.
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you. And then some of
the other things that we discussed at
the last meeting was, you know, do we
can can we determine these are this may
be lost income. You know, can we
determine how much a free yard of waste
cost the city? Um
how much it cost to have the yard waste
transported. There was a cost, I believe
you said that was about $6,500.
And that's just once per year, I believe
you guys said. Is that correct?
>> I think that was right. I think we
determined new costs are probably about
$8,500.
>> Okay.
>> Roughly.
>> So that's a cost that we take on because
we don't charge for that. That's just
built into our prices to have that done.
Um so that's that does cost a little bit
more. And then um I brought up the storm
water ordinance that current currently
it does not say that we can use that
money for billing, but half of the
billing that we pay for is for storm
water utilities. So, if we can take some
of that money out of the storm water
utility to help pay for the bills, that
would save sanitation some money because
they're taking the brunt of the cost. Is
that correct?
>> I I believe that's correct. And and to
justify that comment, if if we do
civilianize go away from um city
provided service, we're still going to
have to build for the storm water. So,
there's no reason I I in my opinion,
there's no reason that that that cost
can't be shared. Correct.
>> Right. So, We'll probably have to get
with the law director to see if we can
make a change to that ordinance so that
that could be
that that cost could be shared with the
storm water utility which we all pay and
it's got money in it. I mean I know that
the uh the point was to fix our storm
sewers but you know there's an
additional cost that they're taking on
because of that. Um any other questions
in general for Mr. Salsman right now
where we're having this bigger
discussion.
>> I also think that you guys need to legal
about how to get something like that
onto the ballot, if we're allowed to put
something like that on the ballot, if
it's a referendum by citizens, if it has
to be a referendum by citizens to be put
on the ballot. Um, because it's not
really like a tax issue. So, I think
there's some questions there on if it
can get on the ball ballot, how it has
to get onto the ballot. And then you can
also double check on the time frames
with that.
But, you know, also if we're talking
about May, these guys are are saying we
need more people, right? And we need a
department head. So, um we can run those
numbers and see if that 3% will hold us
afloat
because it'll only half a year, but
we'll probably definitely be over 50% of
the budget by June. If
if this goes to
>> do the other repairs that need done, can
those wait till May or those could be
put off until May if it was to go to the
ballot?
>> I think we can make some temporary like
the roofs could be temporary probably
fixed or the roof at least in the main
building. have to look for something
else deciding on the back can wait till
then. Um I mean it's something that's
going to have to be done eventually
anyway maintain the building but
>> I I wouldn't want to leave
we'd have to do something to fix it.
>> So the electric and the um additional
compactor wouldn't need to be done
unless we retain sanitation services. Is
that correct?
>> It is and that that's just um that's one
of the the chances we take if something
goes down in the meantime of coming up
with a plan B. Um that's probably a
complete wasted amount of money if we
don't maintain uh or if we're going to
maintain we're going to have to have it.
So, it's one of those calls we have to
look at and and the other issue is like
we could start now it may not happen. I
don't know what the and even we talked
to couldn't give us a schedule how long
that would take to get done. So, I think
we continue to look at it and then make
that decision move forward and then
continue to look to see if we can find
somebody else to do repairs on the road
system until
It's a dying trade. It's just not a lot
of people can do it. But we continue to
look to see. I mean, if it happened
tomorrow, we'd have to do the same
thing.
We love
So, if we put out bids for hauling is in
the annual contract. So, if we get a
contract with whoever wins the bid,
>> we're obligated for that time frame to
pay for that contract costs. The last
contract we did was a three-year
contract with escalating costs each
year. They they raise their their fees
each year. Um
you can do it. I mean you can set the
standard how you want like that. Um
I think the look here we would just
extend the current contract which it
states in the contract and be extended
addition years. So that's how I think we
take advantage of that extend that
contract to September would be the end
of the year. I think that's when the
first
two or something like that.
>> And and you mentioned the hauling fees
of 8340. That's an increase starting in
January.
>> I think it's 84
8340. I'm sorry. That will start
January. That will be the increase too.
That that went up about six or seven.
>> So part of the reason that's going up is
because they have
Yeah, the box
update and repair potentially update and
repair.
I I hope tomorrow I'll hear from from uh
Mr. Rupert and have a better idea on
what if we
help us a little bit to understand.
>> Mr. Saltzman, I believe we're leasing
one of the trucks now. And that lease is
up.
>> It'll be up, I think, in January or
February. I have to look. I think it's
January. It was a six-month lease. We
can extend that lease.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, we can extend it.
>> I know.
>> It's definitely a lot more expensive. I
think the question come up last time
like what would it cost to just lease
instead of purchase? Well, you're paying
a lot more for that lease over the time
of the lease. I do agree if the short
term made sense. Let's let's lease it
while we're trying to look and determine
what our needs are. If we're going to
continue on, I think we're to make a
purpose not continue lease the lease in
short term probably the most prudent
thing
we make
>> what is our lease payment a month
>> 115
1100
new truck is $499,500
today they go up and down based on
that type of truck I think the rear load
289.
>> So if we since we're leasing, do the
does the lease company provide a truck
if that one was to break down or
>> they do or or repair whatever and
they're out of Cleveland? Actually, I
think we picked it up or got it
delivered the day after we signed the
paper.
>> We still pay for the repairs though.
>> Think I'm pretty sure I I didn't sign
that lease. I can't remember for sure.
And I didn't have
>> pretty sure we did.
>> Sure.
repairs
cheaper to own one if you maintain it.
>> Any other comments, questions?
>> So the only other thing I want to add I
did talk about last time was um staying
staying keeping our services maintain
them. We prevent this by having regular
cycles of replacing equipment waiting
six, seven years. You know those even
though they don't have a lot of miles
because of where it is, they still have
a lot of wear and tear. And in the case
of what we've been doing with them is
double duty literally as trucks are
down. They're running two cycles a day.
They're picking up trash and go back and
get recycle. So, you know, the the cost
is we just have to be prudent and make
sure we're planning part of what I
talked about from day one plan to have
new purpose equipment and have that
money set aside whether it be set aside.
So, we take our time and fix it right
one way or another. Don't jump into
anything.
>> Any any other further comments or
questions?
Mr. Mayor, you thought I thought pop in.
>> Yeah, I just the the
ballot thing I mean the ballot thing
happened last year, right? In my eyes,
you guys were elected to make these
decisions. Um, you're more than welcome
to to do this if you think that's what
needs to be done. Um, I think I would
hate for uh these gentlemen to be
sitting and trying to figure out what's
going on. Um,
in May and then, you know, the union's
probably going to have to run a
campaign. I mean, I don't know. It's And
so I think and I think either way, we
have to have some money to keep get this
thing going. We need to hire a
superintendent. We need to hire somebody
else. Hopefully two people. And we need
to figure out these trucks. So,
I would love to hear what you guys have
to say about the ballot or having these
guys make the decision.
>> Can I get a How long have we not had a
superintendent?
>> So, we had an acting superintendent. I
know we had one in house for a while and
then Bill was a acting superintendent
and then he stepped away from that
because we were trying to get this
figured out. So, going out and trying to
hire a superintendent and say, "Okay,
you know,
it's going to be on the ballot in May or
you know we may be privatizing here soon
is very difficult to hire a
superintendent to do that.
>> So we can go back and talk about that a
little bit too. Celeste did receive an
injury as you guys remember and you know
so we couldn't fill that position while
he was out and that was a very long time
that he was out and we thought he was
coming back then then he didn't think he
was coming back then he thought he was
coming back and it was a very long time
without um and there were some guys
stepping up in house trying to take care
of that and then you know with being
short-handed one at that point or two we
needed to bring somebody in and that's
when went over and was kind of doing
double duty because a lot of his guys
were going over there and helping. Um,
so that's kind of our thoughts on that.
>> And you were asking a question of who,
Mr. Mayor?
>> I I would just like to know. Would you
guys just
When did Bill step down as acting
superintendent?
I heard
I understand that that'll be that'll be
that that that would be an internal
discussion with us and I think we we did
that for a little while, right, Jason?
And then did you
I don't I don't remember how that went
down at the end, but we can have those
discussions. But um
>> that is an administrative function.
>> I got I know this comes back to the same
old thing, but how come we can't hire
anybody? They just they don't are they
are they that lazy? they want things
handed to them or just nobody want to
get their hands dirty.
>> I mean, we I think we pay good and I
think our insurance and stuff is good.
>> I I mean, we spoke about this before. I
think the pay is good and these guys
agreed with that and so
and so are the benefits, but I think,
you know, younger people don't get into
these professions. They don't think it's
a a cool job or whatever and they don't
look at the big picture about getting in
and getting into a city job and having
good benefits and good pay and and it
just makes it difficult. And you know,
nothing against anybody, but you guys
know the age of the people who
get the positions andor fill out the
applications, right? So,
is it a generational thing? I mean,
that's probably a bigger question,
right? But it's it's difficult.
Where do you guys post the job
applications other than the city
website?
So, aside from the city website and the
city socials, we publish them as far out
as Springfield. Um, so and they get
circulated heavily and I can pull the
numbers for you to um for the hits on
the job website and the socials.
>> I just know young people today aren't
going to nuance their searches to be
sight specific. They're going to go on
Indeed or they're going to go on
and then they're going to filter their
searches from there. But by going to a
blast a blast provider, we utilized
Indeed uh for I think not this last
round of sanitation hiring, but the one
prior to that
Indeed has unfortunately implemented one
click apply.
and you are inundated with anybody that
just needs to apply for a job, not
necessarily interested in the job or
qualified for the job.
>> If I may, if I'm not mistaken, as part
of the budget
for the auditor's office,
>> yeah, I think Kenn wanted to do the ADP
some sort of patch that would assist
with job applications. Is that right?
>> Right. And that that was approved in the
budget. So, she should have it was only
like $9,000.
>> I'm not sure that would be compliant
with whatever indeed's issue was sending
too many
>> the ADP recruiting if she wanted to. Uh
that was put in the budget an additional
$9,000. Maybe that helped out.
>> I'll I have a note here. I'll check on
that tomorrow. So, just to to comment
uh Shannon on yours. We're seeing the
same thing. So, um
NTN for police and fire. Um we're seeing
the same kind of thing. They talk to
Indeed, just everybody throws it in. So,
these are very specific to those jobs.
They actually take civil service tests.
That's how they take them. And we run
the same thing. We'll get 30 people and
then they find out it's in London or
it's not enough money. You know, out of
30 people, we'll have three that might
be viable. So, I I think it's a change
of culture. It's a change in age. Um,
probably a combination a lot. It's still
an issue has to be addressed. Not an
excuse. It's, you know, how do we get it
out there to that
>> working group?
>> Right. So, I was going to ask that,
right? Is the CDL the hangup?
I That's what I wonder. Is the CDL a
hangup? And I can't
>> and and I my thought process about that
I'm sorry to interrupt you Kevin the
thought process is we hire police
officers that aren't trained and we send
them to school right and if there's a
way to find a candidate that wants to do
the job they don't have a CDL that we
can work that out and pay for the CDL
then we have an employee and maybe maybe
there's a downfall to that that you pay
big money to have them get a CDL or if
if I'm and I'm not sure how the CDL
works because and I don't know this
question if if that works that you guys
can help somebody and they just have to
be with somebody and do so many hours
before they go take the test. Is that a
possibility? I just don't know how all
that works.
No, most people go to truck school for
just like a six week program or
something like that. But a lot of
drivers go to trucking school and get
it's like a six week program. Yeah.
>> Well, I just wonder if that's a
question, sir.
already.
>> You can't get your CDL until you're
>> 20 or 21.
>> 20.
>> Yeah. So, I mean, if you're talking like
the the tolls are not going to
candidates old enough.
>> Do they require a class B or an
>> A
>> that's that's a show for a license which
is Yeah.
>> comment with our sanitation department.
What do they require?
Well, that
>> so if you get a class B, you can get a
job there.
And maybe maybe that's the issue. I
don't know. But
there's some there's some challenges
>> but and quite honestly and this has been
addressed and I don't even I'm just
bringing it up because until this last
contract that they had a CDL they only
got paid 10 cents more an hour. Is that
right?
>> Was a dollar?
>> Nope. Nope. Nope. I think it was very
little before the last contract. It got
increased to like a$150.
>> Yeah. So 10 cents an hour that wouldn't
entice anybody for that.
>> And you would hire somebody with only a
class B. They don't have to have a class
A, right? What if they were unemployed
politician? Because I know here in a few
minutes.
>> Okay. Well, that's that's an awful lot
of discussion. Let's get back on track.
Uh so 19025
uh is has been read by title and number.
This is to advertise for bids for the
sanitation department. This is the
second reading of this, but at least
tonight hopefully all of the discussion
has been recorded. I know it's going to
be hard for everybody in the audience
without a microphone. That may not be
well heard, but you'll hear at least the
answers. So hopefully that helped out.
Um
unless we have Unless we have a reason
to move and uh to suspend or something,
I would think we would leave this on.
Maybe we can find out by the next
meeting a little bit more information if
we could even put it on the ballot if
that's a consideration or not. It may
not be. I don't know.
So,
>> I'm still looking.
>> Okay. So, we'll just we'll leave that
on.
Okay. 19125
a resolution. I I'll accept the motion
to read by title and number.
>> So moved.
>> Second.
>> Resolution 19125, a resolution
authorizing the safety service director
to advertise for bid for trash hauling
services.
>> Okay. I don't think we already did that.
So if we did, I apologize.
>> Uh this is just like it sounds for the
safety services director to take bids
for trash hauling. I assume that's
contingent upon what's determined in
1902.
Yeah, they've discuss in our agenda that
um the uh sanitation is se I'm sorry the
yes sanitation is split out from trash
hauling or something like that. It's two
separate
sanitation department services and trash
hauling services are two separate
resolutions.
>> When does that contract in? Was it
March?
at the
>> further.
>> I'm assuming we're leaving this on.
>> I would I would think.
>> Okay.
>> Uh 19225 motion read by title number.
>> So move.
>> Second.
>> Ordinance 19225, an ordinance adjusting
the rate of sanitation department
services.
So this is also contingent upon 1925. It
would be
uh to determine whether to raise the
rates for
sanitation services.
Truly it's 190 and 192 are the either or
right. So adjust our rates for what we
want to do to continue the service or
whether or not we're going to advertise
for bids. So one of those would
Regardless,
any further discussion
on third.
>> Okay, left on for third reading. Thank
you very much. 19325. Motion to read by
title number, please.
>> So moved.
>> Second.
>> Resolution 19325. A resolution adopt
Mass County multi-jurisdictional hazard
mitigation 5-year plan update.
>> I have a short statement I'll make on
this. Adoption of this plan is required
for Madison County to qualify for FEMA
hazard mitigation grants uh flood
mitigation assistance and hazard
mitigation grant programs without
adoption by all Madison County
municipalities.
Our county becomes ineligible for
federal grant dollars for floods, storms
such as tornadoes, uh extreme weather uh
that we may have, blizzards, ice storms.
Uh this plan ensures a countywide
coordinated approach to responding and
handling such emergencies.
Uh once this is adopted, Madison County
EMA will submit the plan and all support
resolutions of adoption to the state
emergency management agency for their
review, who then will in turn submit it
to the Federal Agency Management Agency,
FEMA, uh for county plan review and
approval letter. Uh this process we're
going through right now, this happens
every five years. Uh any county
jurisdiction that does not formally
adopt the plan will not
I'll say that again will not be eligible
for any potential federal mitigation
grant funding.
And we're not on a I think last council
meeting. We're not on an emergency with
this, are we? As long as it's done by
first the year, February. Okay.
>> Pass by February one. Is that what the
requirement is?
>> That that's when Yes. But it's 30 days.
There's not an emergency on it to enact
it, right? So if you guys pass it on
whatever you said, I can't remember what
day you said the next meeting is, it
wouldn't take effect for 30 days, which
would be February.
>> And the deadline was what? February 1st.
>> I'll make a motion to suspend a three
reading rule for this.
>> Second,
>> Mr. Stall.
>> Yes. Miss Trainer,
>> yes.
>> Miss Reeds,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Hayes,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Hit,
>> yes.
>> Miss Jackman,
>> yes.
>> Mr. McDaniels,
>> yes.
>> Motion to adopt.
>> Second.
>> Mr. McDaniels,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Stall,
>> yes.
>> Miss Trainer,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Reeds,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Hayes,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Hit,
>> yes.
>> Miss Jackman,
>> yes.
>> Thank you all.
>> All right. 19325 has been adopted.
>> Moving on to new business. 1942.
Motion to rebook by title number.
>> So moved.
>> Second.
>> Resolution 1942, a resolution increasing
appropriations.
>> So this came up at the finance meeting.
It wasn't actually
didn't sound like this was a true true
emergency. Here's what's happened. The
police chief, we've been on a schedule
to replace cruisers. I I
or SUVs. I don't know what it is, Brent,
but we we're on a schedule to replace
vehicles in the police department. This
vehicle seven and a half years old that
they would like to replace. They the
last time we ordered one, I think we had
six or eight months before we got it
because we had to order it. We had to
wait on it and they had to upit it and
outfit it and put radios and lights and
everything on it. They received the
chief received an email from the company
that they like to buy the cruisers from
that and say, "We have three on the lot
right now. If somebody wants these,
they're available right now. Um, we
confirm that there's money in the
capital improvement fund. If we want to
do this, this would be allowing us to go
ahead and make this appropriation and
purchase this vehicle now before the end
of the year because there's money there.
If we don't spend that money, it goes
back into the general fund to be
reappropriated later.
>> Is that correct, Mr. Saltzman? Did I get
that pretty much right?
that that is a complete cruiser too.
You're not buying the vehicle. You're
buying the vehicle outfitted and that
includes the transfer of the equipment
that needs to be done. So be when when
that that money will have everything
done. Not you're not buying an empty car
and later paying what we call upfitting
all the lights, sirens and all that that
is already done to it. That's
>> there was a small cost associated I
think with just like placarding or
putting on
>> Yeah. You'd have to put the marks of the
our sign
>> but everything was available in the
vehicle already.
>> Yeah, that's correct. That was that was
the benefit not waiting four months to
get a car and then wait three months to
schedule.
>> So, this was not in the original
package. We caught that. Clerk emailed
that. So, we have that in front of us
just in separate email does say this is
uh there's an emergency clause on that
if we'd like to do that. If not, then
the money that is there will end up
going back in. We might just have to
start the process over come next year.
further discussion.
>> Let me look and see if there was
anything else that the chief mentioned
here.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So, this is um Chief Kimman spoke
at finance. Um the money is currently in
the capital fund. Um there's a supplier
that had the cruiser already upfitted.
The uh cruiser that needs to be traded
in years old, 100,000 miles on it. Um
needs to be auctioned off. The um
capital fund has a million dollars
available, but only through the end of
the year. And we already talked about
the benefits of moving now, which just
gives the police department a cruiser on
the street instead of in the um shop,
you know, getting getting all those up
services.
emergency clause was concluded in the
finance committee bringing to council.
>> So I'll make a motion to suspend the
three reading rule.
>> Second.
>> Miss Jackman,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Daniels,
>> no.
>> Mr. Stall,
>> yes.
>> Miss Trainer,
>> yes.
>> Miss Reeds,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Hit,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Hayes,
>> yes.
>> Motion to adopt. Second.
Mr. Hip,
>> yes.
>> Miss Jackman,
>> yes.
>> Mr. McDaniels,
>> no.
>> Mr. Stall,
>> yes.
>> Miss Trainer,
>> yes.
>> Miss Mr. Reeds,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Hayes,
>> yes.
>> 1942 has been adopted. Moving on to
1952. Motion to read for title number,
please.
>> So moved.
>> And a second.
>> I'll second. Resolution 19525, a
resolution on transferring
appropriations.
>> So, this is uh $49,338
and no sense. That's for computers to
upgrade all the computers and all of the
police vehicles. And I believe that was
due to them needing to be upgraded to
Windows 11, which the current computers
aren't able to do.
if um I even if they could be upgraded
the state wasn't going to accept those
due the protocol the lead lead system
for the police uses that if I'm if I'm
correct
I'm sorry Mr.
No, that's fine. So, the initial thought
was that they could be upgraded to the
Windows 10 Pro extension. Um, the
sheriff's office and leads both notified
they leads and C just would not accept
that. They had to be Windows 11
compatible to to go with that system.
>> How many computers is it? I
>> think that
>> was it nine.
>> Nine.
>> Nine.
>> Think it was nine.
These are the the cruisers computers.
That's correct. These are the ones that
go on the computer. They they get the uh
communications from the sheriff's office
and the dispatcher, the runs, the GPS,
and all that.
So, there's a lot going into these.
The $49,338
that right now is in the administrative
support part-time position. If you
remember when we got rid of the
dispatchers. We uh allowed for
administrative
assistant or I don't remember the
correct term, a full-time and a
part-time. So, they've not hired the
part-time person. That $49,338
is sitting there in that budget. That
may not have all been there. There was a
couple other things, but they can they
can say this is coming from that line.
And once again, if we don't spend it,
then it goes back into the general fund
for next year.
>> So the money's there regardless. It's
already there.
>> It's right now. Sorry, I can clear up
that the the current
>> it's a cobbling of various sources, but
all of the various funds are located
under the personnel subcategory. Um, and
if the uh personnel subcategory
transfers a total of $49,338
to operations category, all within the
LPD's um overall budget, then they have
the money um in order to pay for these
without it
um
affecting their overall budget is fine,
>> right? We're not spending any more money
than what we
>> No, they just need to shift it from
personnel to operations from I think
three different sources that are being
underutilized at this time. There's an
emergency clause on this. Um, I think is
there a deadline put on the for the
upgrade for the um
>> I I think the quote was good through
December was good for that.
>> U wasn't sure if there was
um Yeah.
>> So the the Windows 10 expired in October
on October 17th this year. We have the
Windows 10 extension pro. So, we're
still getting security updates. The
sheriff is leniently giving us that
expansion. We have a plan, full plan. Uh
the issue would be if one of those
computers break down can't they won't be
>> but so the extension pro doesn't is that
the port that's no longer going to be
compatible with the leads upgrade or
that it's not compatible now.
>> They don't they don't accept it as a
security. So something would happen
then.
>> Got it. Got it. Okay.
Well, they got to have the computers.
>> Yes, they do.
>> I'll make a motion to suspend the three
reading rule.
>> Second,
>> Mr. Hayes.
>> Yes.
>> Mr. Hit.
>> Yes.
>> Miss Jackman,
>> yes.
>> Mr. McDaniels,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Stall,
>> yes.
>> Miss Trainer,
>> yes.
>> M Reeds,
>> yes.
>> Motion to adopt.
>> Second.
>> Mr. Reeds?
>> Yes.
>> Mr. Hayes?
>> Yes.
>> Mr. Hit?
>> Yes. Miss Jackman,
>> yes.
>> Mr. McDaniels,
>> yes.
>> Mr. Saul,
>> yes.
>> Miss Trainer,
>> yes.
>> 195-25
has been adopted.
All right, let's move on to round table.
Who wants to volunteer to go first
tonight?
>> I'll go. I'll go first.
>> You'll go.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Got a long list here. U first of all, I
want to thank all of our city employees
for jobs well done, especially this past
weekend. I know it was hell out there. U
and thanks everybody for taking care of
the roads for us. Uh thank you for all
of our police officers, our firemen, our
EMTs, uh fire uh I don't want to be
misunderstood. Ladies also, um
firefighters, that's the word I'm
wanting. Um want to thank all of our
employees in this building. You do a
great job. Um,
we got Christmas coming up. So, I want
to wish everybody, and I'm going to say
it, a merry Christmas
uh, and a happy new year. Uh, remember
the reason for the season.
And, um,
thank you to Mr. McDaniel. Been a
pleasure working with you, my friend.
And been a pleasure having you on my uh,
committee. And uh I just wish you God's
speed in your journey ahead.
And um merry Christmas to all of you. I
love you all. Thank you. And that's all
I got.
>> Who wants to follow that?
>> Lisa,
>> I really don't have anything to add
other than merry Christmas to everyone.
Take some time, enjoy the season, and
make some great memories. I'd also like
to thank Matt for all of his hard work
um and the time that he's put in here as
being council clerk and also to Bren.
>> Amen to that.
>> John,
>> I'd like to thank the fire department
for the good news I had the other day
about rescuing the dog was on the ice
pond. It's nice to hear nice things and
always bad things on the TV. So, it's
nice. And I also want to wish everyone
and their families very merry Christmas
and a happy new year.
And my opinion on this trash thing,
people don't understand why we're doing
what we're doing. We have to explain
things to them better. They just want
things cheaper or less expensive, but
they would like to localize even though
it might be cheaper the other way. And I
I personally don't think going to the
ballot's going to going to go go that
way. Thank you,
Dannon.
It's hard this time of year to take some
time and
have peace of mind, peace of heart,
peace to your friends and family, but
try Merry Christmas.
Take some time.
>> Uh, merry Christmas and happy new year
to everyone. And I'd like to thank Matt
and Brent for their service to the city.
Um, the next service committee meeting
is January 13th at 5 o'clock in the
meeting room next door.
>> Thanks, sir. Daniels.
>> Thank you everybody for coming out
voters put me up here for this two two
year vacation
mayor's table over here for the abuse
and the bullying made me stronger if I
do indeed come back in two years
pleasure working with council
I would also like to thank our clerk
once again Mr.
Um, you know, we've all been up here.
It's not an easy job. Not easy to
explain to people. Hopefully, Mr. Boyd
will do a good job. And my last words
are, please be kind to each other.
Please be safe
with whatever weather we have. And merry
Christmas. Thank you.
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